BUY your way into Heaven! PLEASE!

The thing is -- the scriptures don't get deleted when Shiloh complains that he is not willing to read them --

Isaiah 55
1 ""Ho! Every one who thirsts, come to the waters; And you who have no money come, buy and eat. Come, buy wine and milk Without money and without cost.
2 ""Why do you spend money for what is not bread, And your wages for what does not satisfy? Listen carefully to Me, and eat what is good, And delight yourself in abundance.
3 "" Incline your ear and come to Me. Listen, that you may live; And I will make an everlasting covenant with you, According to the faithful mercies shown to David.


Admittedly this is from the "ALL Scripture" mentioned in 2Tim 3:16 -- but scripture still.

Claudia's "it takes everything to serve the Lord" is found in

Matt 10
37 "" He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.[/b]
38 ""And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me[/b].
39 "" He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it.

 

Not to worry - because I don't whine when those texts are posted as you do when we quote Matt 10 and Isaiah 55.

Details details...

In Christ,

Bob

 

I note Sister Claudia_T is a SDA Christian. by Mr. Ed

This is what I have been saying all along. I agree she/he or what ever, is a SDA "christian.'

1. The devil will ultimately have sin placed on him and be "cast" out for redemption to be complete.

2. There is no eternal hell or Lake of Fire.

3. They keep the sabbath day as she calls it Sabbath Sunday or Saturday/Sunday? Confusing I know but that's the SDA.

4. There is NO Eternal Security.

There Mr. Ed is your SDA "christian."

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

Claudia this just simply isn't a true statement. Well the first part probably is , but not the second part following the comma.

The Bible clearly teaches that once a person has placed their faith in the substitionary death and shed blood of Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God they are saved from that moment and forever.

Despite there being so much more evidence one only needs to look at one Scripture to know that isn't a true statement. Ephesians 2:8-9 tells us that for by grace you have been saved through faith. The structure of the Greek tells us that this was a one time event that was "completed" in the past and the results of which remain throughout time without end.

Eternal (spiritual) salvation is not a process. The Bible clearly teaches that it is a one-time event.

How is it that you are not seeing what Ephesians 2:8-9 alone tell us? My heart just aches for you when I read your posts. You start questioning things, and rightly so, but then you always come back with statements that you mind is already made up.

I am truly sadden. As long as you see salvation as a process things are not going to fit in Scripture for you.

 

Originally Posted by Shiloh
I note Sister Claudia_T is a SDA Christian. by Mr. Ed

This is what I have been saying all along. I agree she/he or what ever, is a SDA "christian.'

1. The devil will ultimately have sin placed on him and be "cast" out for redemption to be complete.

2. There is no eternal hell or Lake of Fire.

3. They keep the sabbath day as she calls it Sabbath Sunday or Saturday/Sunday? Confusing I know but that's the SDA.

4. There is NO Eternal Security.

There Mr. Ed is your SDA "christian."

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


You are one really confused person, thats for sure. Starting with you cant even figure out if someone named Claudia is a She or a He. by "Claudia"

Well, lets take a look at this.......
1. You are WRONG about sin being placed on the devil.
2. You are WRONG about the Lake of Fire.
3. You are WRONG about the Sabbath day.
4. You are WRONG about Eternal Security.
5. Why would you be right about your name?

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Then Claudia you believe in a works based salvation.

It is either ALL Christ that saved you and Him alone or you are not saved.

You can do absolutely NOTHING to assure or ensure your salvation. What you do within salvation (works) is the natural outcome and not that with which we are judged by to HAVE salvation.


If it is not all Christ pertaining to your salvation then you have lost everything.

 

Shiloh (I think, I really can't tell who is saying what
with all the colored words that disappear when I put
the words in my NOTEPAD format?):

//1. The devil will ultimately have sin placed on him and be "cast" out for redemption to be complete.

2. There is no eternal hell or Lake of Fire.

3. They keep the sabbath day as she calls it Sabbath Sunday or Saturday/Sunday? Confusing I know but that's the SDA.

4. There is NO Eternal Security.

There Mr. Ed is your SDA "christian." //

All of these beliefs, though wrong, are all held by
Baptists (probably not all by any group of Baptists,
except for Adventist Baptists )

Being Baptist does not assure correct doctrine,
being SDA doesn't assure incorrect doctrine
(the SDA does have lots of correct doctrines, in
fact, the SDA folk are our brothers/sisters in Christ).
So folks who are predjudiced against Adventists
are just plain WRONG.

 

Let me ask you this.

For salvation to be true in a dotrinal sence:
Would you say this is a correct statement:

That when a person places their faith in Christ it is at that moment till the judgment seat they are secured in Christ and there is absolutely no question of whether or not they will be eternally with Him for He has saved you. That those who placed their faith in Christ will be judged on Christs suffient work ALONE and nothing else to deterning their eternal destiny with Him.

 

My Scripture says:
Romans 10:9 (KJV1611 Edition):
That if thou shalt confesse with thy mouth
the Lord Iesus, and shalt beleeue in thine heart,
that God hath raised him from the dead,
thou shalt be saued.

Who is using this pseudo scripture?

That if thou shalt confesse with thy mouth
the Lord Iesus, and shalt beleeue in thine heart,
that God hath raised him from the dead,
and you are not WRONG about sin being placed on the devil,
and you are not WRONG about the Lake of Fire,
and you are not WRONG about the Sabbath day,
and you are not WRONG about Eternal Security;
then thou shalt be saued.

 

Yes, I believe we are saved by WORKS.
And the works by which we are saved
are the COMPLETED WORKS of Messiah Jesus.

Our works are dirty cloths - Jeus saved PERIOD.

 

I wasn't speaking to Shiloh's comments. I was asking you if Christ is the suffient and absolute reason one is saved and nothing else will even be considered except Christ alone.

This is statement is what Claudia and Bob are saying IS NOT TRUE. Refer back to Post # 32 of Claudia's answer to the almost excact same question I asked you and then see her answer.

They hold that our salvation is IN CHrist but the determining factor of whether or not you are ACTUALY saved is in your works and Not Christ as the suffienct means.

This by definition is a works based salvation.

>>>Added In Later<<<

In the SDA Doctrine - They believe that NNE knows whether they are TRUELY saved until the Judgement where (due to your works) you will either be exterminated or welcomed into eternity with Christ. Just being In Christ is has NO ASSURANCE to the SDA for salvation. The Work of Christ (death, burial, and resurrection) was not suffienct for their salvation but they must be judged as well on their works, and if you have ENOUGH works you have proved you are saved. But if your works are not enough then you WILL NOT be saved.

 

Ed Edwards has twice (that I know of) asked, politely, not to be called the moniker of Mr. Ed, because of the identification with the TV show and the talking horse. Claudia_T has noted his request as well. I will now politely request the same thing, in his stead. A little respect, especially for an elder, is not an unreasonable request, IMO, since the Scriptures teach, I thought, a bit of the "love for the brethren" bit. I am defending no one's doctrinal position, per se, in this request.

Ed

 

I'll add my hearty AMEN to that statement. That is the biblically indentified basis of salvation, and PRAISE THE LORD for it. If ANY part of salvation where left up to us the best person to ever live would fall light years short.

Grace and peace,

Mike

 

Preach it!

In Christ,

Bob

 

First lets take some of the wild off-the-wall imaginings of Shiloh and add facts to his fiction.

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WRONG!

The Devil and all the wicked will burn in the lake of fire for their OWN SINS. Once all the wicked have sufferred the second death for their OWN sins then ALL sin is fully covered by the payment that God's Perfect law requires.

As obvious as that point is - Shiloh is floundering on it.

The Lake of fire is REAL and it is REAL hell burning REAL sinners in REAL eternal fire.

WRONG!

God said "Remember the Sabbath day" -- you seem to want to blame SDAs for the words of Scripture. God is the author -- not SDAs.

Wrong. There is no OSAS.

Eternal Security is provided via the mechanism stated in Scripture in Romans 8:16.

Since all SDAs ARE ARMINIAN - you will just have to get used to the fact that they reject OSAS according to the scriptures in Matt 18 and "forgiveness revoked".

To borrow HP's model of review - Shiloh get's an F+.

In Christ,

Bob