By HIS Stripes, We are Healed!

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  1. dianetavegia

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    According to Jewish law, a prisoner had to receive less than 40 stripes / strikes as punishment. It is believed that Jesus had 39 stripes.

    Before I had internet, I heard a sermon that said all major diseases known to mankind stem from 39 major diseases. 39 stripes, 39 diseases. I can't find verification on the internet and no search brings up a sermon with that title.... but my question is, in YOUR opinion....

    Healing? Only our sick souls or our sick bodies too? If our 'sickness' is caused by sin such as gluttony, abuse of substances, sexual sins and are not repented of and turned from, would those sicknesses be included? Food for thought (no pun intended).

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    Actually Jewish law allowed 40, but the jews did not want to take a chance and violate the law so they only did 39.
     
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    therefore, it seems strange to me that The Passion movie depicts Jesus as having received 107 stripes. the Toronto Star reports (http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...geid=971358637177&c=Article&cid=1077750609727):

    the math is easy: 32 + 75 = 107

    the motive isn't. why ratchet it up fr 39 strokes to 107? i wldn't be surprised if some Passionate defender can invent a good reason ... :rolleyes:
     
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    But...the Jews didn't administer the stripes. Would the stripes have been administered under Jewish law or under Roman law?
     
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    The Romans weren't above
    beating a person to death, if it suited
    their purposes. In the case of Jesus, they
    were supposed to leave enough to
    crucify so they could humor the Jewish leaders. [​IMG]
     
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    THE THREAD IS ON HEALING! PHYSICAL OR ONLY SPIRITUAL?
    Before I had internet, I heard a sermon that said all major diseases known to mankind stem from 39 major diseases. 39 stripes, 39 diseases. I can't find verification on the internet and no search brings up a sermon with that title.... but my question is, in YOUR opinion....

    Healing? Only our sick souls or our sick bodies too? If our 'sickness' is caused by sin such as gluttony, abuse of substances, sexual sins and are not repented of and turned from, would those sicknesses be included? Food for thought (no pun intended).

    Diane
     
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    Healing?? Certainly! But a fine line has to be drawn between the physical and the spiritual. The verse in Isaiah is realized in the spiritual realm at point Salvation---the moment you got saved it became a reality to your spirit!

    But the verse also has physical implication. Sorta like a coin---heads and tails. The Apostle Paul tells the Corinthians---as well as other churches that "in this tabernacle we do groan"---regardless of any type healing we received----whether it be through the spoken word of a saintly prayer prayed in faith or from the steady hand of the surgean with his scapel---ultimately, we will get sick again--even Lazarus who was raised from the dead--died again---

    But the pure physical aspects of the verse won't be fully realized until Resurrection Day.

    As for the 39 diseases and 39 stripes---Diane---that sounds a little "Ken Copeland-ish" for this died in the wool Southern Baptist! A peek under a microscope will blow that theory to peaces----a hour's long lecture in Anatomy and Physiology will deem that theory obsolete!

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    Diane, Peter interprets it specifically to our spiritual condition.

    However, Christ has guaranteed a perfect body one day for all who believe in him.

    So, it is both from a technical standpoint.

    It has nothing to do with claiming his blood over cancer or some other sickness.
     
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    Past tense. By His beating we were healed (our sins, at the cross). Context.

    To try to "name it and claim it" for every sniffle trivializes the precious blood.
     
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    Right, Doc!! Some folks I know----you see them coming up to ya----Hackin' and weezin' with a headcold----all the time denying they have it and claiming "by His stripes we are healed"----how about that!!!!
     
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    Now move to the second part of my question:

    There is nothing wrong with praying for the Lord to heal us and our families from our illnesses and we all have....

    If our 'sickness' is caused by sin such as gluttony, abuse of substances, sexual sins and are not repented of and turned from, would those sicknesses be included?

    A YOUNG mother at swim lessons has a newly diagnosed heart condition. It's a very serious heart condition. She's of a denomination that names and claims. She's also probably 500 lbs. but believes she'll be healed because of fervent prayer. If she won't do her part and take care of her physical body, should she expect or even pray for a complete healing from God?

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    Diane---focus in on that phrase "Confess your TRESPASSES . . ." Then tell the lady to put the verse into context and then tell her to start doing "Water Aerobics!" and lay off the Little Debbie's!!!

    IOW---its hard to ask the Lord to heal us of our diseases----all the while we're "firein' up" our next Camel or while we're stuffin' our face with potato chips while washin' it all down with biggy size cokes!!! :D
     
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    Diane, I knew someone who had diabetes for years but would never seek medical treatment, saying "I don't claim that. I don't claim diabetes. I am healed in the Name of Jesus." In time, the disease took it's toll and by the time medical treatment was sought (after about 10 years with no medication, diet-control, etc.), too much damage had been done to the body. That person went to be with the Lord at age 47. Some say she got a complete healing now that she is with the Lord.

    I am on blood pressure medication and have been for years. Hypertension runs in my family. I believe God helps us heal through medical science as well as performing out right miracles. As believers, it is okay to "name and claim" but we should not close the doors God opens for us, and that includes medical treatment. After all, it is God who put the plants etc. here and gave man wisdom to extract the parts needed to help cure or medically manage physical illnesses.

    In regards to your second part: An alcoholic can turn to the Lord and repent & serve the Lord and no longer drink. But there may be long-term liver damage from years of drinking that will shorten his or her life.

    Same with AIDS. Someone can have AIDS through a promiscuity, get saved, but still have the consequences of those trespasses.

    Do I believe the "name it & claim it" theology?

    It all depends.... ;)
     
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    The fact that people are still sick, even saved people tells me that this is spiritual healing. Even Christians in the bible had physical ailments, Timothy had stomach trouble, and Paul had an eye problem. This does not mean some are not healed, but God chooses who , not based on anything they do, but based on His grace alone. Those who are not healed might be left unhealed for God's glory. I can think of several like this, Joni Ereckson Tada for one. God's glory isn't always that someone be healed, but how they live with it, through His strength, giving thanks, through it, continuing to praise Him, then He is glorified by them not being healed.
     
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    Honestly, why not? That does not mean that people are always healed instantaneously and miraculously, obviously, or that there will never be consequences. But when God works on you, He often seems to work on the whole package. For the Christian that is praying, part of the healing may indeed be conviction of what she/he needs to change, as well as power from God to do it. And that may be a long-term process. Some of the healing process may surprise us.
    In your example, MAYBE the woman used to be 525 lbs., and she is traveling down a long road of improvement. You MAY be reading into her words some things that are not really there, such as insisting on an instant cure.
    And only God knows the whole story about someone. Yes, the woman MAY be a glutton, maybe not. But that might only be a symptom, compared to the real tragedies in her life that God is dealing with first. And then food will fall into line.

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    Honestly, why not? That does not mean that people are always healed instantaneously and miraculously, obviously, or that there will never be consequences. But when God works on you, He often seems to work on the whole package. For the Christian that is praying, part of the healing may indeed be conviction of what she/he needs to change, as well as power from God to do it. And that may be a long-term process. Some of the healing process may surprise us.
    In your example, MAYBE the woman used to be 525 lbs., and she is traveling down a long road of improvement. You MAY be reading into her words some things that are not really there, such as insisting on an instant cure.
    And only God knows the whole story about someone. Yes, the woman MAY be a glutton, maybe not. But that might only be a symptom, compared to the real tragedies in her life that God is dealing with first. And then food will fall into line.

    Karen
     
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    You need to lay off the stupidity. People have problems and circumstances that have nothing to do with what you just said. I know some one who has gained weight the last few years. She is diabetic and is on insulin therapy. She is resistant to insulin (doesn't work the way it should) and therefore is on much higher doses than normal. It's a vicious circle. The insulin lowere blood sugar - which makes you hungry - which means you have to take more insulin - which lowere blood sugar - which makes you hungry.... Also, she has been on other medications along with the insulin which have a side effect of weight gain. She was in a car accident a few years ago and can't exercise. Her doctors exact words were "Your knee is completely shot." - and they refuse to do a knee replacement because she is too heavy and also too young. She is only 40 and knee replacements usually last no more than 10 years before needing to be done again. She has a degenerative disc disease in her back and one leg is longer than the other. Now, what are your words of wisdom? :rolleyes:
     
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    Find another doctor.
     
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    She has been to 20 or so doctors in the last 10 years. More of the same. Next.
     
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    You are free to choose----you are NOT free to choose the consequences of your choice.
     

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