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  1. robycop3

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    Michelle:

    Peace and love to you all in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,

    Same to you, Michelle.

    Robycop, are you also one of those that delight in missing the point?

    No, I'm one of those who does NOT delight in asking some common-sense questions to those who hold different views on certain subjects than I do, and not receiving a straight answer.

    I continually read by those of you who support the modern versions, BY WHOSE AUTHORITY do we believe in the KJVO and BY WHOSE AUTHORITY do we tell you to be KJVO.

    And I continually read the contortions of the KJVOs who do more twists than a Chubby Checker concert trying to avoid some questions they either cannot answer or decline to answer truthfully because the correct answers spell the end of their precious myth.


    The first problem with this question, is your lack of understanding the answers given to you continually by those you label as KJVO's.

    Sorry, I understand quite well when someone answers a direct question with an indirect answer. This usually indicates that the respondant is either clueless or doesn't want to prove him/herself wrong. In court, this is called, "taking the 5th."


    The second problem is your lack of understanding from the answers given to you comes from your bias regarding this label you have given to those who do not fit that label.

    The bias is against a KNOWN, PROVEN FALSE DOCTRINE. When one extols the virtues of the KJV while declaring every other English BV as bogus, He/she pins the label on him/herself with a neon sign.

    Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
    michelle


    Same to you, Michelle. Despite our differing views, I believe you're a sister in Christ, and that's the MOST IMPORTANT view I hold for all those on this board-fellowship in Christ!

    I see here yet another response to some simple, easy questions that does everything but ANSWER THEM!!!

    Wanna try to pull the KJVO doctrine from "myth" status? You might start by truthfully answering these BASIC QUESTIONS: BY WHOSE AUTHORITY are you KJVO? BY WHOSE AUTHORITY do you tell me I should be KJVO?

    To any other KJVO: Feel free to give these questions a shot. So far you're batting ZERO. If your evidence was baseball practice, you wouldn't be hitting a whiffle ball with a tennis racket. And you wonder why we call KJVO a MYTH...
     
  2. Anti-Alexandrian

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    I HAVE.More than once!!


    http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/4/1385.html#000006


    Might I add 1 Corinthians 2:14 to the list of Scriptural(KJB) Proofs.


    How original :rolleyes:


    "Knowing it's a false doctrine, I battle it fervently. "


    Pfft....What a trooper :rolleyes:


    All of the catch phrases,innuendos,and skulduggery grows old;and yet,you have not answered MY questions;WHY?

    I've answered yours;with SCRIPTURE(KJB)even....
     
  3. Craigbythesea

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    A-A,

    Surely you have posted the wrong verse. 1Cor. 2:14 says nothing at all about the questions that were asked.

    1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. KJV

    You probably had a nightmare and confused it with reality! At least I hope that’s all it was. :(

    At the very best your authority is your nightmare, but much more likely your authority is Satan himself, the father of all lies. By the way, God cannot lie:

    Tit 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
     
  4. robycop3

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    Sorry, A-A, you haven't answered; you've only posted the same ole KJVO spin. The last person I remember trying to honestly answer was Jim Ward on another board, & all he did was post the various verses that say God will preserve His word. There wasn't one peep in any of those Scriptures that singled out any one version as being the only vehicle God has used for His preservation.

    ANOTHER KJVO SWING & A MISS!
     
  5. Anti-Alexandrian

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    Hardly a "swing & a miss."

    That's Scripture,that's Bible(KJB),that is an ANSWER....Those verses SHOW that God will bear witness to the things of GOD,plain and simple,end of discussion.

    Problem is YOU are afraid to admit fault;not only that,you are afraid to answer MY question,period...

    Typical "bible" of the month club marlarkey...
     
  6. Anti-Alexandrian

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    I see you are using the Alexandrian "sect's" spin(and catch phrases) trying to cause Bible believers to doubt God's word(KJB).


    I know you probaly dont know better,most "sect" members are in the dark anyway...The "Wet match in a dark cave" kinda darkness....
     
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    Bro. Robycop3, ask them fast enough and come
    this summer we will have a cooling fan [​IMG]

    Did you know there are some Dictionaries that
    are not Webster's?
    Did you know there are some Bibles that
    were not authorized by King James?

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  8. Orvie

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    A-Alex, thou hast been indicted into the Nehushatan Pickled Version Sect , because you are a Bible Facist and believe God is a respector of persons who is unable to speak in today's English. :eek: If you keep posting this kinda blah blah, I'll have to focus on annoying you instead of Precepts. ;) [​IMG] [​IMG] You have a case of Polytransphobia :D
     
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    By faith

    I'm just simply telling you the truth. If you fail to accept it, then this is between you and God.
     
  10. michelle

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    Peace and love to you all in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour!

    This is in response to robycop in general:

    robycop quote:

    BASIC QUESTIONS: BY WHOSE AUTHORITY are you KJVO?
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    and specifically to the the following person's quote:

    Craigbythesea quoted:
    Surely you have posted the wrong verse. 1Cor. 2:14 says nothing at all about the questions that were asked.

    1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. KJV
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    I beg to differ with you on this one. If one continues reading further, one can see the picture, if one is aware of ALL THE FACTS of the mv's as they claim.

    1 Corinthians 3:5-23

    5 Who then is Paul, and who is Appollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
    6 I have planted, Appollos watered; but God gave the increase.
    7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
    8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labor.
    9 For we are laborers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.
    10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. BUT LET EVERY MAN TAKE HEED HOW HE BUILDETH THEREUPON. (my emphasis)

    11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
    12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
    13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
    14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall recieve a reward.
    15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

    16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
    17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
    18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
    19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, HE TAKETH THE WISE IN THEIR OWN CRAFTINESS.
    20 And again, THE LORD KNOWETH THE THOUGHTS OF THE WISE, THAT THEY ARE VAIN.
    21 Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours;
    22 Whether Paul, or Appollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours;
    23 And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.

    Now should we rely upon "man's methods and theories" for translation and interpretation of the word of God by the scholars of today? Or should we rather rely upon our faith in God through the Holy Spirit of God? I choose the latter.

    And to robycop's other question:


    BY WHOSE AUTHORITY do you tell me I should be KJVO?
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    I say: I never said this to you, nor implied this to you. You can use any version you want to, for that is your own decision to make.

    May the Lord richly bless you all!

    Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
    michelle
     
  11. Craigbythesea

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    If you believe that the men who translated the KJV were more in tune to the Holy Spirit than the men who translated the NASB, you have not read the biographies of the men who translated the KJV. :( :( :( :( :( :(
     
  12. Anti-Alexandrian

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    Orvie,I percieve that you have been a card-toting member of the DEAD Egyptian Mummy Sect now for some time,because you are a Bible relativist and think God will bear witness to the so called Alexandrian "bibles" being milled out at the rate of one every SIX MONTHS...


    Go ahead,you -or any other Alexandrian "sect" member- will not annoy me,or change my mind- give it your best..


    You have an incurable,festering case of PolytransISM.
     
  13. BrianT

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    Orvie, every few months I hand out "Alexandrian Cult Membership Cards", and from AA's comments to you, I think you are deserving of one if you wish. You can take the "default" card at http://www.tegarttech.com/pics/alexcult.jpg , or you can send me a small pic and I'll place it on the card along with your name to make it into a photo ID. [​IMG] A few of us around here have them, and anyone interested in a personalized card can send me a picture. [​IMG] I'll be offline for a couple of days, so be patient. [​IMG]
     
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    Peace and love to you all in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour!

    Craigbythesea,

    You quoted:

    If you believe that the men who translated the KJV were more in tune to the Holy Spirit than the men who translated the NASB, you have not read the biographies of the men who translated the KJV.
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    Please go back and read the post, the question and then really comprehend the answer given with the scriptures. I ask you also with sisterly kindness to please stop implying I am saying things I have not said.

    love in Jesus Christ my Lord and Saviour,
    michelle
     
  15. robycop3

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    Originally posted by Anti-Alexandrian:
    Hardly a "swing & a miss."

    Actually, it was a triple play.

    That's Scripture,that's Bible(KJB),that is an ANSWER....Those verses SHOW that God will bear witness to the things of GOD,plain and simple,end of discussion.

    Of course you want to end the discussion because you cannot answer the question. The same Scripture is in every other valid BV, and not one of them names any version or even HINTS at it. Where do those verses show AUTHORITY FOR KJVO????

    Problem is YOU are afraid to admit fault;not only that,you are afraid to answer MY question,period...

    Typical "bible" of the month club marlarkey...

    If you asked me something & I failed to answer, I apologize, but it's due to oversight( I hardly ever have time to read every post in every thread!) and NOT because I can't answer. Please ask away in this thread and I'll answer. While you're at it, would you like to try to present a REAL answer to our little questions??
     
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    Michelle: Now should we rely upon "man's methods and theories" for translation and interpretation of the word of God by the scholars of today? Or should we rather rely upon our faith in God through the Holy Spirit of God? I choose the latter.

    Apparently you're relying on some scholars who lived 400 years ago who used much the same methods & theories as those of today, minus the high-speed media & communications tools of today. If you suffered from migraine, would you rely on the medical procedures of the same time period? Did the Holy Spirit retire in 1611?

    God provided His word in English in the 17th century in the form of the AV 1611. He had provided His word in English for the latter 16th century in the form of the Geneva Bible. You DO believe the GB is a valid BV, don't you? If that's the case, I'll modify the question-By whose authority besides KJ's & Archbishop Bancroft's did the AV men change many Scriptures from how they were written in the GB?

    Wanna try the original questions again while you're at it?
     
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    Peace and love to you all in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour!


    robycop,

    robycop quote:

    If you suffered from migraine, would you rely on the medical procedures of the same time period? Did the Holy Spirit retire in 1611?
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    God's pure word of truth cannot be compared to medical procedures of the 17th century, or any century for that matter. God cannot be likened to any of his creation, nor anything man creates. He is the Lord God Almighty and is the same God yesturday, today, and tomorrow. He does not change, nor does his truth and word. He dwells in my heart, and all the hearts of those who have asked him to come in to reside and have been washed in his blood, the blood of the lamb of God. He gives us understanding and leads us to all truth. He is the lamp which gives light unto my path. He is the one that teaches me truth, and gives me strength. He is my Shepard and it is His voice that I hear and recognize. My Shepards name is Jesus Christ who is the author and finisher of my faith. It is he who I put all of my trust and faith in.

    Do you know what a shepard does? Do you even understand what I am saying? Do you? If you understand, then you have your answers. If you do not, then I cannot help you to understand. Like I recommended to you before, if you really desire to know the answers, bring it to the Lord in prayer.

    love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
    michelle
     
  18. Anti-Alexandrian

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    Well at least ya'll are honest about your position;for that,salute! [​IMG]
     
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    Well at least ya'll are honest about your position;for that,salute! [​IMG] </font>[/QUOTE]I think BrianT is being sarcastically funny...kind of like Elijah mocking the worshippers of Baal in 1 Kings 18:27. I know this is a stretch here, the KJVO sect reminds me of what Elijah said...."for he is a god, either he is meditating, or he is busy, or he is on a journey, or perhaps he is sleeping and must be awakened."--this sounds like how the 17th century English is to the modern reader. :eek: :D [​IMG]
    Ok, don't get mad at me :D This similarity just popped into my pea brain [​IMG]
     
  20. Dr. Bob

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    We don't use "cult" or "heresy" or such in dissing those who hold different views on versions.

    Try to play well with others.
     

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