Calvinism/Arminianism Forum - Finally Imploded?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by JohnB, Nov 9, 2005.

  1. JohnB

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    I like to pop in from time to time, but it looks like it's a read-only archive now.
    Did someone finally decide to shut it down? Or is it just me?
     
  2. timothy27

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    Larry shut it down because the posters were not following Christian like behavior.
     
  3. Lacy Evans

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    versions forum next?
     
  4. JohnB

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    Shut it down permanently? That would not be a bad move at all.

    However, if you applied that standard, most of the forums should be shut down. Internet arguments tend to bring out the worst in folks. Lots of heat, little light.
     
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    I've read worse on the music ministry, politics, current events, Bible version and other "christian" denominations forums. You could close down most of the BB! Why not ban the ones displaying the un-Christlike behavior and not the forum?
     
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    That would be good webdog. I do not think it is permanent, just until they decide what to do with it.
     
  7. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    Has anyone PMed the moderators to aks them? That would be the best thing to do.
     
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    I pmed LArry and the above is what he told me.
     
  9. Pastor Larry

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    In the CvA forum, there were continued and egregious instances of personal attacks, unethical argumentation (e.g., dishonesty, misrepresentation, distortion of another's position, etc.), and the like. The instances were many and varied, from all sides, and encouragement both private and public to change went unheeded. It was decided to close it for now as we did the Creation/Evolution forum a while back.
     
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    It's only a matter of time before someone burns someone else.
     
  11. natters

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    How could it have been any different? Isn't that what God unalterably predestined? ;)
     
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    Come now natters no need to go starting something else. You know that is not what Larry believes.
     
  13. JohnB

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    Personal attacks should definitely be out.
    Never question people's faith, sincerity or intelligence.

    But "dishonesty, misrepresentation, distortion of another's position, etc." are as much a part of theology as they are a part of politics. All parties involved are guilty of these things.
     
  14. natters

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    I don't know for sure if Larry believes it or not, but I suspect he does given his response in my thread on the subject of fatalism. Many of the other Calvinists I was having a discussion with certainly do believe it.
     
  15. JohnB

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    See - this is a perfect example.

    Using loaded words. A non-Calvinist may see Calvinism as fatalism, but certainly few Calvinists are ever going to cop to that. Same thing as referring to unconditional election as random or arbitrary.

    Of course, the name of the forum itself is an example of loading the deck and perpetuating Calinist's favorite false dichotomy. Since I adhere to eternal security, I am not Arminian. I don't suppose many people on the board consider themselves Arminian. I am also not a Pelgaian or a semi-Pelagian. Yet, that is what all non-Calvinists get labeled as right off the bat.

    As I mentioned earlier, you might be able to get rid of ad hominems, but you will never get rid of misrepresentation, dishonesty and distortion. It's part and parcel of "doing theology."
     
  16. natters

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    Well, my thread started out as a question, because I didn't understand how Calvinism wasn't fatalism. Through the answers in the thread, I now know that "fatalism" is not the word to describe it, for apparently "fatalism" means unalterable and inevitable without God, while Calvinism obviously has God involved. I did not realize when starting the thread that "fatalism"'s definition excluded God, I always thought the definition didn't specify the source, just the result. My dictionary says "a philosophical doctrine holding that all events are predetermined in advance for all time and human beings are powerless to change them" - it doesn't say who or what predetermines, just that things are predetermined. Once other posters made it clear to me that they didn't like the "negative connotation" that fatalism carried (i.e. without God), I was willing to accept that and use other terms. However, whether "God" or "fate" or "quantum physics" is the cause of an unalterable and inevitable passing of time, the end result of how we all live our day-to-day is still exactly the same - inevitable and out of our control - which is what I was really wanting to discuss, but people keep getting hung up on my wrong term instead of the concept I was intending.
     
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    Dishonesty and misrepresentation are part and parcel of sin, not of doing theology. It is entirely possible to do theology without misrepresenting anyone's position. In fact, theology more than any other discipline should be done that way.

    In any debate, one should say about his opponent only what his opponent would say about himself.
     
  18. JohnB

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    "In any debate, one should say about his opponent only what his opponent would say about himself."

    Amen, I was just thinking the same thing.

    (Unfortunately, this principle is seen as rarely as unicorns and the Loch Ness monster;)!

    That's why I try to stay away from polemical books. If you want to compare Covenant theology vs Dispensational theology, read books that make a positive case for their position rather than negative cases against the opposite position.
     
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    I have mixed feelings about the forum closing.

    It was a fun diversion...

    It was also a big waste of time because all we ever did was argue.

    I agree Larry- you can 'do theology' without getting nasty, but that requires a certain level of spiritual maturity and Christlikeness.

    Here's hoping BB's next attempt goes a little better. If any of the Calvinists are looking for a place to talk theology, feel free to drop by my forums at www.spurgeon.us! [​IMG]

    God bless,

    Daniel Allen
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  20. webdog

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    Are you discriminating against everyone not a calvinist? Like a "secret club" :D
     

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