Calvinism, Arminianism, Free Grace, easy believism, Lordship Salvation

I am Reformed Sovereigntist ie Calvinist

 

Calvinist with a soft(er) L; probably in between the Free Grace and Lordship position, leaning towards Lordship.

What do you mean by "easy-believism"? That can be a loaded term. Some see it as a derogatory term, while some FG'ers actually wear it as a badge of honor.

 

I could be accused of being Calvinist in my soteriolgy. Why? Because the Bible shows us the Sovereignty of God in salvation.

 

I hate to align myself 100% with any "set" doctrine, but I would be more FGT.
Easy Believism can be an oxyomoron, as with our sin nature, we resist change. It's also never "easy" to walk as a christian. I would think this phrase means how simple the plan of salvation really is.
Lordship is too calvinistic for me, as it denies the ability of man to have faith unless it is given as a gift.
Arminianism is too free will for me. Does not support OSAS.
Calvinism in my opinion makes God out to be a monster, a liar, partial, the author and cause of all sin and evil. OSAS is dependant on works and persevering to the end.

 

Hi webdog

Really? I read MacArthur's book "Faith Works." I thought Lordship salvation was that one had to believe in Jesus as Lord. No simple intellectual assent. Belief must be accompanied by faithful service to the Lord.

While I agree with faithful service, I hold that anything beyond Jesus' illustration of the LOOK in the brazen serpent example is WORKS.

I would put lordship salvation right beside the CoC demand for water baptism. Both are heresy.

Otherwise, I like your next comment:
Calvinism in my opinion makes God out to be a monster, a liar, partial, the author and cause of all sin and evil.[/quote] Preach on!


But I certainly disagree with your last comment

Whoa! OSAS has nothing to do with works. It depends totally upon God's faithfulness. You have given the Calvinistic definition of perseverance.

Q: How do you know you were elected?
A: You have works.

OSAS and Perseverance are only marginally similar. OSAS depends on God's faithfulness to His promises; Perseverance claims in theory to depend on God but in practice it depends on self-righteousness.

Lloyd

 

Lloyd, you misunderstood. This should have been read as one...

I was stessing the calvinistic definition of perseverance. I believe in OSAS by God's grace only, no works. Sorry for the confusion.

 

Hi Aresman;
I don't believe you covered them all. Actually you only coverd two. Calvinism and Aminianism both have Catholic backgrounds. I'm not part of the reformation in any form because I don't believe you can get good fruit from a rotten tree.
Luk 6:43 For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
I believe in and worship the Lord Jesus Christ. This makes me a Christian.
May Christ Shine His Light On Us All;
Mike

 

I believe the Doctrines of Grace. TULIP then, but I don't like the label Calvinism, (paedobaptism) as I've had too much to do with Hyper-Calvinism in the past.
I guess that OSAS stands for "once saved,always saved"? I would say that believers peservere and show they are saved through holy living as the book of James clearly teaches. So then Christ must be Lord of our life, I believe He is Lord & King of our lives before He is Saviour.

 

Calvinist. Sad how it is misrepresented, misapplied, misinterpreted, misunderstood... However, I am not ashamed of the Gospel.

SDG,

dale

 

Actually we don't make Christ Lord of our life; He already is! But do we own Him as such and obey His Word? Such as 1 Peter 1:14 ...not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:... Titus 2:1 -13....teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;.... all the exhortations in the Word really.
Not that obeying commandments saves us, but that would show our sincerity. In order to have assurance we have to examine ourselves by the Bible, not other people.
The way I see it justification is when God sees us as perfectly sinless for Christ's sake; it takes place outside of us, happens only once when we are saved. Sanctification is us becoming more holy through the work of the Holy Spirit in our hearts. It takes place inside of us and is an ongoing, never complete till death.
Much more could be said, but that is all the time I have for now.

 

I don't think assurance is a constant thing, at least in my experience, when sin enters the door, assurance jumps out the window.

 

Hi Aresman;

Holy living is the imitation of Christ.The constant pursuance of righteousness. The striving to be as much like Christ as we can possibly be. It is the works after Salvation and not works for Salvation. It is our obediance to His comandments.
May Christ Shine His Light On Us All;
Mike

 

Hey ILUVLIGHT

What a great comprehension of the distinction between justification and sanctification!

Salvation entails both justification and sanctification. Some of the less enlightened that have lots of posts simply with to misunderstand the two as being a blend. While they are inseparable, they are nevertheless parallel and distinct.

It appears that it is best to know the positive rather than nit noid some negative.
Lloyd

 

Its easy to believe...even Satan and his devils believe there is a God.


What Satan will not do is WORSHIP God.
What Satan will not do is repent and turn from his way to Gods way.
What Satan will not do is Give up all other things in life and follow God, Showing God that he is Lord.

But...Satan believes in God and even talks with God.


In Christ...James

 

Hey Jarthur001

The talk about Satan and his devils always bugs me. It is usually taken out of context. Jesus came and died for humans. Satan and his devils do not have the chance to be saved.

They have always believed that Jesus is Lord but wilfully rejected Him. They are outside God's plan of redemption and should not even be mentioned in any such discussion.

Lloyd

 

Hey Lloyd,


This is true. Yet it shows that the word as we use it...."believe"..is not the same as what the Bible means. I use this point for it is used in the Bible that the devils also believe as if to say.."big deal". Yet as you say above they (the devils) will not repent.

When man calls God His God, man should then act as if he is God, and change his sinful ways. The so called "easy believe" does not teach one must repent. I feel this is wrong, for they are doing no more then a devil by just say "i believe in God".


In Christ...James