1. Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Calvinism more evangelistic?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Luke2427, Nov 26, 2010.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. jbh28

    jbh28 Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2008
    Messages:
    3,761
    Likes Received:
    2
    Really. So if a person rejects Christ today, they are non-elect? Couldn't they be saved a year from now even though they rejected Christ? How do you tell who isn't the elect while they are still living on earth?
    t
    The answer is no you cannot. Nobody knows who the elect are and who the non elect are.(yes, we know that a believer is elect) That's why we must tell all the gospel and let God do the rest. You can tell them that if they believe, they will be saved. No Calvinist would deny that. (ok...well except for hypers)


    Do you purposefully misrepresent, or are just just continually mistaken. Calvinist already on here(meaning this thread) have said they don't believe that God has only chosen a "few." Do you believe God has chosen a "few"? I'm assuming you believe in election(conditional).
     
  2. Luke2427

    Luke2427 Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2010
    Messages:
    7,598
    Likes Received:
    23
    That's not true. I honestly think that the reason many are not already Calvinists is because they don't really know what Calvinism is. I know that was true for me. I think this statement is evidence that it is true for Amy.

    Calvinists believe the Bible when it says that around the throne there will be a multitude which no man can number out of every kindred and tongue.

    There will be a vast ocean of redeemed humanity forever glorifying the lamb for his infinite love and his indescribable grace displayed at Calvary.

    But this is still called a "few" by the Lord Jesus.
     
    #62 Luke2427, Nov 27, 2010
    Last edited by a moderator: Nov 27, 2010
  3. Luke2427

    Luke2427 Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2010
    Messages:
    7,598
    Likes Received:
    23
    Bingo!!

    Did you know that the Sword prints Spurgeon sermons but edits out all the Calvinistic content???

    Is that not absolutely AMAZING?

    I met a guy who was Free Will Baptist then Independent Baptist. He wanted his pastor to adv ise him on some good reading material. His pastor was not a Calvinist and did not know that Spurgeon was a Calvinist but loved to read his sermons in the Sword so he told the guy that he cannot go wrong with Spurgeon.

    The guy, following his Arminian pastor's advice started reading Spurgeon and BECAME A CALVINIST!

    :applause:
     
  4. Havensdad

    Havensdad New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2007
    Messages:
    3,382
    Likes Received:
    0
    Um, I didn't read the whole board, but this is exactly what Spurgeon did. And I am betting his evangelistic efforts were more effective than yours...

    However, I do not do this, most of the time, because Jesus didn't, nor did the apostles. Both Jesus and Paul taught this doctrine to believers. They did not proclaim it on the streets, simply because it is a doctrine only the regenerate can understand and appreciate.
     
  5. Winman

    Winman Active Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2009
    Messages:
    14,768
    Likes Received:
    2
    This is absurd. Many Calvinists believe in Limited Atonement, that Jesus only died for some men and not all.
     
  6. TCGreek

    TCGreek New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2006
    Messages:
    7,373
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ask either Spurgeon or Piper!
     
  7. jbh28

    jbh28 Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2008
    Messages:
    3,761
    Likes Received:
    2
    Did I say otherwise?
     
  8. John Toppass

    John Toppass Active Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2008
    Messages:
    1,080
    Likes Received:
    8
    AHHHH so your the one incharge of deciding who's works are greater than anothers. Good to know, but something tells me if you are doing what God is telling you to do then there is no one who's works are greater.

    May I suggest, try following the Lord and not a famous person. There are blessings that you can not get any other way.
     
  9. Pareeeee

    Pareeeee New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2010
    Messages:
    24
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ian Paisley is awesome. Calling the Pope the Antichrist takes a LOT of guts. I met him in person years ago when he came to our former church to preach at a tent meeting. Northern Ireland was lucky to have such a good Christian man in their government for so many years.
    I have many of his sermons downloaded from SERMONAUDIO.COM. What an awesome website!

    urr I'm wary of stating online where exactly I'm from, (that's why I just generalize and say Ontario) not because I don't trust YOU in particular but any Tom, Dick or Harry on the internet could search these forums. I don't even say where I'm from on my Facebook, lol. I guess I'm paranoid - I don't trust inturwebz privacy :p I usually only tell ppl stuff like that through PM's or e-mail.
     
  10. Havensdad

    Havensdad New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2007
    Messages:
    3,382
    Likes Received:
    0
    How disingenuous. The question addressed specifically why no Calvinists evangelized this way. I was giving an example of one. It is very dishonest of you to try and repaint my response, as if I was following a man.

    I agree we should follow God, and His word, and not a man. So when the scriptures say that none can come, unless given by God, we should trust it, instead of following men (Arminius, Pelagius) and adding "free will" into texts that say nothing about it. When the scriptures say faith is "given" by God in exact measure, we should accept it, and follow it, instead of the doctrine of men who would try to change it into a "choice" or a "prayer."
     
  11. Luke2427

    Luke2427 Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2010
    Messages:
    7,598
    Likes Received:
    23
    This is an excellent point.
     
  12. webdog

    webdog Active Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2005
    Messages:
    24,696
    Likes Received:
    2
    Pure intellectual dishonesty.
     
  13. Luke2427

    Luke2427 Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2010
    Messages:
    7,598
    Likes Received:
    23
    No it isn't and yet again certainly not just because you say so.

    You do this often Webdog. You drive by post some silly accusation like this without proving it.

    HOW is it intellectual dishonesty? If you are not going to prove it then it is nothing but a worthless, inflammatory drive by post.
     
  14. webdog

    webdog Active Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2005
    Messages:
    24,696
    Likes Received:
    2
    Not really since the scope and definition of "the elect" are not the same in both views.
     
  15. jbh28

    jbh28 Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2008
    Messages:
    3,761
    Likes Received:
    2
    Ok, what are the definitions then?

    Calvinist definition of the elect. All those that are saved or will be saved.


    any others?
     
  16. webdog

    webdog Active Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2005
    Messages:
    24,696
    Likes Received:
    2
    I have told you I am not an Arminian as defined. I don't believe God looks through the corridors of time to see who would be saved...I don't believe man can lose his salvation, yet you deliberately and blatantly dismiss it and still choose to call me an Arminian. That was not a drive by post, it was a reminder as this has not been the first time you have heard this from someone who refers to themselves as a "non cal".

    Would you like me to refer to you as a Roman Catholic from now on since you share the belief of Augustinian original sin, the virgin birth and the Trinity...and then when you tell me you are not a Roman Catholic I then refer to you as a "Roman Catholic who likes to call himself other things"?
     
  17. webdog

    webdog Active Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2005
    Messages:
    24,696
    Likes Received:
    2
    Well, there are three camps from what I know...maybe there are more. There is the understanding that the elect were chosen FOR salvation. There is the understanding that the elect are those who have believed. There is the understanding the elect are jewish believers, "true" Israel ("not all Israel is Israel")
     
  18. Luke2427

    Luke2427 Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2010
    Messages:
    7,598
    Likes Received:
    23
    We have talked about this and you tried to distinguish yourself form Arminism and failed except in one point- eternal security, which BTW Arminius may have believed as well.

    You do not believe in Total Depravity- in fact you are actually left of Arminius here closer to Pelagius the only distinguishing factor being that you do believe that men are born with a sin nature. Arminius believed in Total Depravity basically like Calvinists.

    You do not believe in unconditional election- how do you believe God elects?

    You do not believe in Particular Redemption- you believe what Arminians believe about this.

    You do not believe in Irresistable Grace-

    You do believe in a form of Perseverance of the Saints.

    That makes you about four fifths Arminian. It kind of just makes you an inconsistent Arminian.
     
  19. webdog

    webdog Active Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2005
    Messages:
    24,696
    Likes Received:
    2
    You don't follow along to well my 1/5 Arminian Roman Catholic brother who wishes to be called something else if you think I'm 4/5 Arminian.
     
    #79 webdog, Nov 28, 2010
    Last edited by a moderator: Nov 28, 2010
  20. Amy.G

    Amy.G New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2006
    Messages:
    13,103
    Likes Received:
    4
    Is a 3 point Calvinist still a Calvinist?

    How about a 4 pointer?
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
Loading...