Here it is nice and simple: Calvinist: Man cannot be saved on his own. Arminian: I agree. That is why God sent the Word. Calvinist: The Word is not enough because men are born dead in their sin. Arminian: I agree that men are born dead in their sin but where does it say the word is not enough to revive the dead? Where does it say man can't respond in faith to God's life giving means, the power of His salvation--the gospel message? Calvinist: Romans 3:10 Arminian: Nope. It says we can't seek him, understand him or obey him on our own. We've already covered this. We are not on our own anymore, the word has come. Now where is the verse that says we can't respond to the word? Calvinists: Romans 8:7-8 Arminian: Nope. That says man cannot subject himself to the law of God, we are talking about responding in faith to the one who fulfilled the law for us. It also says that while we remain in flesh we cannot please God, but it says nothing about man's ability or lack thereof to leave the flesh and walk in faith. Calvinists: 1 Cor. 2:14 Arminian: Nope. That says the natural man cannot recieve the "deep things of God" (vs. 10). And its clear that from the following verses that the brothers in Corith were also not able to recieve these "things" to which Paul was refering. Plus, if you read Romans 1 you can see the natural man can "understand and clearly see the divine attributes and eternal nature of our God." In fact, that is why they stand condemned and without excuse on the day of judgement. The natural man can understand and recieve what God chooses to reveal of himself to the world through natural revelation and the gospel message. They can't understand what the Holy Spirit teaches to those who who do know Him personally, the "deep things of God." Calvinist: John 6 Arminian: The Jews of the 1st century couldn't believe and come to Jesus because they had been sent a spirit of stupor (Romans 10) and the gospel was being hidden from them in parables (Matt. 13) because they were being hardened (John 12:39-40) but that hardening was not unto certain condemnation (Romans 11:14) but it was temporary (Rom. 11:25) and purposeful (Acts 28:21-28). Calvinists: What does hardening have to do with this discussion? Arminian: You mean what does God blinding the eyes, deafening the ears and hardening the hearts of his elect people have to do with a discussion about the nature of man and his ability to respond to the gospel's calling? Are you kidding? Calvinist: See, hardening proves God doesn't want some people saved. If he wanted them saved why would he hardened them. Arminian: They weren't born hardened. God held out his hands to them (Rom. 10:21) and desired to gather them under his saving wings (Matt. 23:37) but they were unwilling. He hardened them to accomplish his purposes of redemption which included Jesus' death on the cross, carried out by hardened Jews, and the ingrafting of the Gentiles into the covenant, also made possible through the temporary hardening of the Jews. In addition, this ingrafting was meant to provoke the stubborn Jews to salvation. (Romans 11:14) Calvinists: Well, isn't that "unfair" by your standards? Doesn't God violate the Jew's free will? Arminian: Now THAT is the question Paul is answering in Romans 9!!! He is not answering the objection of an Arminian, he is answering the objection of a hardened Jew. Read it again with that in mind and it will make more sense to you. And chapter 10 and 11 will also make more sense too. Calvinists: But men cannot be saved on his own Arminian: Arrrrrgggg!!!