I am not a Calvinists nor am I interesting in a debate. On another forum, a Calvinist gave his view of Calvinism by the following example: All mankind is like fish in the ocean. God elects to take some fish (the elect) out of the ocean and put them in a closed in lake (salvation). Within the lake, the fish (the elect) can act on any of their choices except to get out of the lake (stop believing). Does this represent most Calvinist's view? If not, what is different?