Calvinist preachers, teachers, theologians

Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
I am not being funny, but what in that verse makes you think that I could not preach that God saves sinners from that text? I mean, if He saves anyone, according to that text, they are a sinner. And you don't believe He is going to save all mankind. So what would be the problem with preaching from that text?

 

This is what I meant by me preaching different from most Calvinist's. I do not preach this. I'll probably draw fire from some Calvinist's on this one, but I to think that is pretty deceptive if you believe in unconditional election & particular redemption. But that is just me.

 

If I preach "whosoever will, let him come" I mean just that. Whosoever simply means any one. So if I preach this, there is no deception, seeing that I believe that only the elect will come. And any who come will not be cast out, by faith that is. Do you understand what I am saying about this?

 

Yes I have. But as far as the people in the very room, I cannot say that, because only the judgment will prove this.

 

I am still not following you with this. All have sinned yes, but you don't think that God will save all of them do you? If not then you find your self in my corner preaching that some of those "all" will perish ,and if any of those "all" are saved, God saved them. So then God' saves sinners.

 

Not to be mean, but when you preach the above do you quietly keep back the part where you believe that some in that room can't come?

 

No need to bother with that. They won't come anyway. Hello Bro Bob. I was wandering where you were.

 

Most likely, I guess I am. I think it dishonest to disguise my beliefs in order to fill a church up.

 

I see your meaning then. But I hope you see where I am coming from as well.

 

Well, personally, I have never found where I am commanded to preach anything but the gospel to the lost. Now there have been a couple of times when I have preached on some of these things when they are present, but I try to preach in the direction that I feel that God has burdened me with.
I was kidding with Bro. Bob any way. We have gone several rounds together.:laugh:

 

I have noticed at funerals that the Calvinist instead of using the words of "all", they will say "God's people", or when it says "whosoever", they will use the words "the saved".

jne; Do you do that?

 

No I don't.

 

Well, see that is where you and I may or may not find a common ground when it comes to doctrine. I don't for instance approach sinners with the truth of eternal security or try to give them a heads up on the doctrine of the trinity. Some of the things I tell them may involve those things, but at large I am not going to give them all that. I believe they need to know they are a sinner & have need of salvation through Christ Jesus if they will ever see heaven. I believe stabilizing in sound doctrine should come after salvation. But you may feel different. What is your method?

 

I mean, think long on this one. Even in your own belief of what the gospel is. Would you not agree that deep in the heart of the gospel are so many truths that a sinner cannot even began to comprehend & only a child of God can appreciate? So why not share what you know to be the gospel in Scripture "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved" And then share the other truths with him after his conversion.