Calvinists teach, that Jesus died only for the "elect", and therefore the Atonement is limited only to the "elect" Ephesians 1:4 says, "According as He has chosen us (elected) before the foundation of the world...". Question. What exactly does this "election" involve? If the "elect" person has been "predestined" before the foundation of the world, to eternal life, then it should follow that they are indeed saved, and that God wil ensure that these come of faith. I now read on this board, and in Calvinistic publications, that, if an "elect" person were to die before they believed (had faith), that they would be eternally lost. Lets get this right here. Does this then mean, that some whom Christ has died for, will in the end perish? If Jesus is said to have died for the "elect", before they were born, and before they actually believed, and some die before they can believe, then these whom Jesus died for are actually lost. How then can the Calvinist charge us who hold to universal Redemption, by saying that, to hold this position would mean that some whom Christ died for, will end up in hell. BUT, this is exactly the Calvinistic position with those "elect" who die before they believe, as these too will perish. See the clear contradiction here. If an "elect" person can also end up in eternal damnation, then to what purpose was this "election"? What exactly were they "predestined" to?. I read that the "elect" were chosen before the foundation of the world, to spend eternity with the Lord. That God had "preordained" their "destination", that their "election" is "unconditional". Yet, it turns out that it is "conditional" after all, as these "elect" still have to believe before they are actually saved. And, there remains the fact, that some of these "elect" will die before they are saved, and will be lost eternally. So, some for whom Christ died, will after all be lost. This is Calvinism.