Lurkers and active posters know there is an ongoing debate between Iconoclast, primarily, and myself, Pinoybaptist, primarily. But, anyone who has a contribution to sharpening our irons here may post. The ground rules are as follows: 1. First, and foremost, no more personal attacks, whether direct, or insinuating; everything is to be done decently and in order, as Scripture demands; 2. As much as possible, a doctrine, premise, or conclusion presented is to be backed up with Scripture, stating exactly what the doctrine and premise is, or can be assumed as a doctrinal logical conclusion; 3. No sarcasm (well, of course, that falls under insinuating); 4. No drive-by, three-words or a sentence posts. Particularly one that is sarcastic. I can name a few who are fond of this. Either state your case, or read, learn, and shut up.