Calvin naysayers love to quote these two scriptures claiming it is man's faith that gets him saved, and not God's grace, so lets take a look at them shall we? Ephesians 2:8 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:" 2 Timothy 3:15 "And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus." "The Complete Word Study" by Spiros Zodhiates Th.D. "Through": (Dia) Refers to space and time as through, throughout, implying transition, continuance. "Saved": (Sozo) Safe, delivered. To save, deliver, make whole, preserve safe from danger, loss, destruction. "Salvation": (Soteria) Deliverance from sin, and its spiritual consequences, involving an attachment to the body of Christ, and admission to eternal life with blessedness in the kingdom of Christ." "Good Old Merriam-Webster" (The backbone of the Calvin naysayer translation process.) "Through": (1) -- used as a function word to indicate movement into at one side or point and out at another and especially the opposite side of. (2) -- used as a function word to indicate passage from one end or boundary to another "Saved": 1 (a) : to deliver from sin (b) : to rescue or deliver from danger or harm c : to preserve or guard from injury, destruction, or loss (c) : to keep from being lost to an opponent (d) : to prevent an opponent from scoring or winning "Salvation": 1 (a) : deliverance from the power and effects of sin (b) : the agent or means that effects salvation (c) : preservation from destruction or failure As you can see, "Through Faith" is defined as an ongoing or continuing process. Not the original event that caused the transition into continuation. Debunked. Next? Lets look at God's sovereign grace in action... Luke 23:42 "And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom." Luke 23:43 "And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise." The Calvin naysayer claims that "Once Saved Always Saved" is hooey. Yet here we see God give a direct edict. He is telling the thief on the cross he is saved. How does the thief lose his salvation??? And if the thief could lose his salvation according to the Calvin naysayer, then God has lied! God Lies??? If he has lied here in Luke 23:43, what is to stop him from lying in Genesis 1:1 & Revelation 19:11 Sovereign in his grace, God reserves the right to elect who he gives his redemptive grace to. Jacob not Esau. Israel not Egypt. Peter not Judas. God's choice of Abraham is a wonderful example of election and irresistible grace! Joshua 24:2 "And Joshua said unto all the people, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Your fathers dwelt on the other side of the flood in old time, even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Nachor: and they served other gods." Joshua 24:3 "And I took your father Abraham from the other side of the flood, and led him throughout all the land of Canaan, and multiplied his seed, and gave him Isaac." Remember old Abe? God snatched him up and said Go! Was it by Abe's faith? Nooo... God gave the order, and Abraham followed. What of Jacob and Esau? Genesis 25:23 "And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger." Where in there is Jacob's faith? Wouldn't he at least had have to exit the womb before he could even have a chance at faith?? Maybe Paul has the answer? Romans 9:11 "For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;" Romans 9:13 "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated." Romans 9:14 "What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid." Romans 9:15 "For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion." Romans 9:16 "So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy." Romans 9:17 "For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth." Romans 9:18 "Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth." Romans 9:19 "Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?" Romans 9:20 "Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?" Romans 9:21 "Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?" Romans 9:22 "What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:" Romans 9:23 "And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory," Paul is pretty plain here again. God is in ultimate control. Where is man calling the shots in these verses? God's will in irresistible grace seems plain as day. Beloved John can tell you about election and the perserverence of the saints! John 6:37 "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out." John 15:16 "Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you." And of course... My favorite of all John verses. (Calvinist naysayers really ignore this beauty!) John 15:5 "I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing." Man's faith saves him? God's grace does not save? Where? I sure can't see it! And then there is the grandaddy of all predestination/election/irresistible grace... Revelation 17:8 "The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is." Where is that freewill that the Calvin naysayer screams so loudly about? Is it here? Acts 2:23 "Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:" Or is it here? Lamentations 3:37 "Who is he that saith, and it cometh to pass, when the Lord commandeth it not?" Maybe here? Exodus 8:15 "But when Pharaoh saw that there was respite, he hardened his heart, and hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had said." Where is the freewill then??? Here it is: Philippians 2:13 "For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure." Did I hear someone say Total Depravity? Yes, man is quite inable, so yes grace must be irresistible to be saved... 1 Corinthians 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians 2:15 "But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 1 Corinthians 2:16 "For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ. Sinners are hostile to God, and when God touches their lives with His sovereign grace, He frees them from sins bondage. As a result, they willingly trust Christ through faith. God doesn't force sinners to believe against their will, he liberates their will by his spirit. He doesn't violate their personalities, he sets them free to be the people whom he intended!