Can a christian be cursed?

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    I'm scared. I listened to a sermon from Derek Prince and he talked about Deuteronomy 28 and about the blessings and also the curses and he said that you can either have the blessings or the curses. Take a look at these curses! They sound very scary and many of these curses really fit to me. This totally scares me. :tear:

    Deu 28:1 And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:
    Deu 28:2 And all these blessings shall come on thee, and overtake thee, if thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God.
    Deu 28:3 Blessed shalt thou be in the city, and blessed shalt thou be in the field.
    Deu 28:4 Blessed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy ground, and the fruit of thy cattle, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.
    Deu 28:5 Blessed shall be thy basket and thy store.
    Deu 28:6 Blessed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and blessed shalt thou be when thou goest out.
    Deu 28:7 The LORD shall cause thine enemies that rise up against thee to be smitten before thy face: they shall come out against thee one way, and flee before thee seven ways.
    Deu 28:8 The LORD shall command the blessing upon thee in thy storehouses, and in all that thou settest thine hand unto; and he shall bless thee in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
    Deu 28:9 The LORD shall establish thee an holy people unto himself, as he hath sworn unto thee, if thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, and walk in his ways.
    Deu 28:10 And all people of the earth shall see that thou art called by the name of the LORD; and they shall be afraid of thee.
    Deu 28:11 And the LORD shall make thee plenteous in goods, in the fruit of thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy ground, in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers to give thee.
    Deu 28:12 The LORD shall open unto thee his good treasure, the heaven to give the rain unto thy land in his season, and to bless all the work of thine hand: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, and thou shalt not borrow.
    Deu 28:13 And the LORD shall make thee the head, and not the tail; and thou shalt be above only, and thou shalt not be beneath; if that thou hearken unto the commandments of the LORD thy God, which I command thee this day, to observe and to do them:
    Deu 28:14 And thou shalt not go aside from any of the words which I command thee this day, to the right hand, or to the left, to go after other gods to serve them.
    Deu 28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:
    Deu 28:16 Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in the field.
    Deu 28:17 Cursed shall be thy basket and thy store.
    Deu 28:18 Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.
    Deu 28:19 Cursed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and cursed shalt thou be when thou goest out.
    Deu 28:20 The LORD shall send upon thee cursing, vexation, and rebuke, in all that thou settest thine hand unto for to do, until thou be destroyed, and until thou perish quickly; because of the wickedness of thy doings, whereby thou hast forsaken me.
    Deu 28:21 The LORD shall make the pestilence cleave unto thee, until he have consumed thee from off the land, whither thou goest to possess it.
    Deu 28:22 The LORD shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish.
    Deu 28:23 And thy heaven that is over thy head shall be brass, and the earth that is under thee shall be iron.
    Deu 28:24 The LORD shall make the rain of thy land powder and dust: from heaven shall it come down upon thee, until thou be destroyed.
    Deu 28:25 The LORD shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth.
    Deu 28:26 And thy carcase shall be meat unto all fowls of the air, and unto the beasts of the earth, and no man shall fray them away.
    Deu 28:27 The LORD will smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and with the emerods, and with the scab, and with the itch, whereof thou canst not be healed.
    Deu 28:28 The LORD shall smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart:
    Deu 28:29 And thou shalt grope at noonday, as the blind gropeth in darkness, and thou shalt not prosper in thy ways: and thou shalt be only oppressed and spoiled evermore, and no man shall save thee.
    Deu 28:30 Thou shalt betroth a wife, and another man shall lie with her: thou shalt build an house, and thou shalt not dwell therein: thou shalt plant a vineyard, and shalt not gather the grapes thereof.
    Deu 28:31 Thine ox shall be slain before thine eyes, and thou shalt not eat thereof: thine ass shall be violently taken away from before thy face, and shall not be restored to thee: thy sheep shall be given unto thine enemies, and thou shalt have none to rescue them.
    Deu 28:32 Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people, and thine eyes shall look, and fail with longing for them all the day long: and there shall be no might in thine hand.
    Deu 28:33 The fruit of thy land, and all thy labours, shall a nation which thou knowest not eat up; and thou shalt be only oppressed and crushed alway:
    Deu 28:34 So that thou shalt be mad for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.
    Deu 28:35 The LORD shall smite thee in the knees, and in the legs, with a sore botch that cannot be healed, from the sole of thy foot unto the top of thy head.
    Deu 28:36 The LORD shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone.
    Deu 28:37 And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword, among all nations whither the LORD shall lead thee.
    Deu 28:38 Thou shalt carry much seed out into the field, and shalt gather but little in; for the locust shall consume it.
    Deu 28:39 Thou shalt plant vineyards, and dress them, but shalt neither drink of the wine, nor gather the grapes; for the worms shall eat them.
    Deu 28:40 Thou shalt have olive trees throughout all thy coasts, but thou shalt not anoint thyself with the oil; for thine olive shall cast his fruit.
    Deu 28:41 Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity.
    Deu 28:42 All thy trees and fruit of thy land shall the locust consume.
    Deu 28:43 The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low.
    Deu 28:44 He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.
    Deu 28:45 Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee:
    Deu 28:46 And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever.
    Deu 28:47 Because thou servedst not the LORD thy God with joyfulness, and with gladness of heart, for the abundance of all things;
    Deu 28:48 Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the LORD shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee.
    Deu 28:49 The LORD shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand;
    Deu 28:50 A nation of fierce countenance, which shall not regard the person of the old, nor shew favour to the young:
    Deu 28:51 And he shall eat the fruit of thy cattle, and the fruit of thy land, until thou be destroyed: which also shall not leave thee either corn, wine, or oil, or the increase of thy kine, or flocks of thy sheep, until he have destroyed thee.
    Deu 28:52 And he shall besiege thee in all thy gates, until thy high and fenced walls come down, wherein thou trustedst, throughout all thy land: and he shall besiege thee in all thy gates throughout all thy land, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.
    Deu 28:53 And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the LORD thy God hath given thee, in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee:
    Deu 28:54 So that the man that is tender among you, and very delicate, his eye shall be evil toward his brother, and toward the wife of his bosom, and toward the remnant of his children which he shall leave:
    Deu 28:55 So that he will not give to any of them of the flesh of his children whom he shall eat: because he hath nothing left him in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee in all thy gates.
     
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    Deu 28:56 The tender and delicate woman among you, which would not adventure to set the sole of her foot upon the ground for delicateness and tenderness, her eye shall be evil toward the husband of her bosom, and toward her son, and toward her daughter,
    Deu 28:57 And toward her young one that cometh out from between her feet, and toward her children which she shall bear: for she shall eat them for want of all things secretly in the siege and straitness, wherewith thine enemy shall distress thee in thy gates.
    Deu 28:58 If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this glorious and fearful name, THE LORD THY GOD;
    Deu 28:59 Then the LORD will make thy plagues wonderful, and the plagues of thy seed, even great plagues, and of long continuance, and sore sicknesses, and of long continuance.


    This sounds so scary as if God is a totally harsh ruler who threatens us with curses if we do not obey Him. How can I have a normal relationship with God when such scary things are in the bible? This is a nightmare. :tear:
     
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    Are you for real? Do you go to church or just pull all your sermons from the web? I am sorry, but with all the questions you ask, I am having a hard time believing you really want to learn.

    Of course there are "scary" things in the Bible. God, just like your parents, want you to repect him, and love him, and honor him, and live a good life for him. But, if you disobey him, and choose to live a wicked life, without respect, love and honor for him, then yes, God will be upset. You will die in hell. He doesn't want any of use to die that death, but we have to come to him and learn from his Word and trust him.

    You're missing a lot of the above things in a good life, and the only way you will find them is to get in a good church. Find a Pastor, one you can talk to face to face, and study the word and stop acting like a child.

    Jamie
     
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    Acting like a child?
    Thanks.
     
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    he doesn't go to church, and he does get all his stuff from the net. which means he's exposed all manner of junk without any discernemnt. And as we've seen over the months theres no spiritual growth. In effect, he is a spiritual child, who by not going to church, not joining with other christians, is refusing to grow by spiritual childhood.
     
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    Edgar C. Whisenant wrote a pamplet ON BORROWED TIME
    which he dispersed in 1988. He compares Deut 28:14-68
    to an all-out Nuclear War and the Nuclear Winter that
    follows it (need I say for 3½-yers?).

    The other end of his booklet is 88 REASONS WHY
    THE RAPTURE WILL BE IN 1988.
     
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    I'm not sure if I, as a genuine Christian, can be cursed, but I've sure been cursed at!
     
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    The rapture happened in '88? hmmm. Then that would put us in the 2nd year of the Millenial Kingdom with Christ reigning on the earth and satan bound for these past 2 years and to remain bound for another 998 years.

    So, why is the evil still here?

    Methinks this Edgar C. Whisenant may not have gotten dates right.
     
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    Actually the Lord came back in 70AD, the Millinnium happened
    from 70AD to 1070AD, and we are all in eternal hell suffering :(

    This viewpoint is an extrapulation :BangHead: of the preterist eschatology
    which says all the prophecies of the NT have already
    come to pass.
     
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    Yes. Donna summed it up better than I could, but yes, as Donna put it:

    "In effect, he is a spiritual child, who by not going to church, not joining with other christians, is refusing to grow by spiritual childhood."

    Sorry, At first, I enjoyed your questions, they made me think and ponder about things myself, but now it would seem that you ask a question that is a bit off the wall, and then when people try to respond to you with comments and help, you have no use for them.

    You have been here for a while now, and yet you don't have a home church. You don't have a Pastor to talk to, and you seem to get most of your stuff from the web or a 'home group'.

    A young Christian can not learn this way. I have been a Christian for a long time, but if I stopped going to church and fellowshipping with other Christians, and didn't have my Pastor to ask the tough questions to, then my Christian life wouldn't be as strong as it is now. There are strength in numbers. Real people, with real daily problems working them out with the help of each other, in a Christian environoment.

    What you need right now can't be found on the web. Period. You need to find a church.

    Jamie
     
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    Excuse me, but this isn't simply junk! Derek Prince was a very well-known and famous bible teacher!
    I am not saying he is right but where in the world do you simply take the arrogance to lable everything as junk which goes against what you believe?
    Do you not see how ridiculous this is? YOUR pastor is supposed to know everything? You only trust YOUR pastor, right? Then what about those who have a different pastor who tells them something else?
    You see, this is exactly what I hate so much about being a christian. This [expletive deleted] arguing among christians about everything and what I also hate is this arrogant attitude. Everybody acts the same way and simply condemns everything which goes against HIS belief system and against what HIS pastor taught him. Boy, this makes me feel like I'm in the kindergarden.

    Oh, this is junk. Because MY pastor told me that it's so and so and MY pastor knows it all while all the others are wrong. Yeah right.... :BangHead:
     
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    grow up........
     
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    you say this to me? :rolleyes:

    what is immature? i think it is simply calling something junk without being able to refute it. if you are so wise refute it, if you can't then be silent!
     
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    I raised 2 children to adulthood, helped raise children from 2 other families, I have 2 grandchildren, so I can say this and know what I am talking about,
    ....................classic tempter tantrum
     
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    You can say whatever you want but this doesn't make it true. :wavey:
     
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    The OP is "Can a Christian be Cursed?"

    Concerning the remarks about xdisciplex, I believe they are unwarranted. The question he has is a valid question.
    There are a few posters on this board that have a hard time (whether on purpose or not) in starting a thread--on how to word a question. I want to address that problem, for xdiscipilex is not the only one doing this.

    When wording a question keep self emotions out of the question.
    If the question had been worded:

    In a sermon by Derek Prince taken out of Deu. 28 (found here URL...), he preaches on the curses placed on Israel. My question is: Are those curses valid for the Christian today. Is it possible for a Christian who is living outside of the will of God to fall under any of those Curses, such as:

    Deu 28:47 Because thou servedst not the LORD thy God with joyfulness, and with gladness of heart, for the abundance of all things;

    If one does not serve the Lord with joyfulness and gladness of heart, will he fall under the Mosaic curse. What are your thoughts?

    I believe if the question is asked in such an objective way, keeping one's emotions, fears, etc., out of the question it will gender a much better discussion, and the focus will not be upon the poster.

    If the poster uses such expressions as "I am scared..."
    "I think I am cursed..." etc., then the focus is drawn to the person instead of the validitiy of the question. Thus it is advisiable to keep your thoughts and emotions about yourself to yourself, and simply ask about the Biblical question as objectively as possible.

    I can give you many other examples of other topics that have been worded in very personal manners that have drawn the person to talk about the poster rather than the topic. Be careful how you word your question, and it will have much more validity.

    As for now, let us all take our focus off of the poster and go back to the OP in Deu. 28
    Can a Christian be cursed?


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    I never said it was junk, however as a new Christian, you can't expect to find the answers on the web.

    Also, don't put words into my mouth. I nevet said any of the things you mentioned. My pastor is not always right, but you know what? if I ask a question that he can't answer, he will and has invited me over to his office to sit down and dive into it. In the end, we did find an answer.

    My pastor is not the only person I turn to. I don't always come away from the discussion on the same side as my pastor. You're adding words to my post to deflect the real issue, that you haven't gotten into a church.

    So, no, he's not always right, but he's a real person in front of me, that is concerned about me and wants me to become a better Christian. It's his job to help me. He servers as an excellent role model.

    You need people like that in your life. I only reply to your question in this manner because you need guidence and help and I know you can find that in a church. You just have to give it a chance.

    Jamie
     
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    I do not search on the web, okay?
    These are real sermons which you can download, okay?
    Where in the world is the difference between a recorded sermon and a real church visit? The sermon was also preached IN a church. But the problem is simply that you guys simply lable everything as junk or as false teaching which doesn't agree with your opinions and this is what upsets me.
    Everybody here thinks he's right and all the rest is wrong. This is simply ridiculous.
     
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    Yes, they are, but until you know the speakers doctrine, or what he believes, then as a young Christian you can listen to someone and not realize they are not 'quite right'. For an example, someone could listen to Benny Hinn and think he's a great speaker.

    Fellowship and face to face people. Getting to know the people and the Pastor. It's simple, and you know it. You can chat with someone across the country on the web and never really "know" them. You only know what they publish and what they want you to know. On the other hand, when you meet someone in person, you can get to know them and find out more about what they believe.

    If you were dating and looking for someone to marry, would you only limit yourself to people online? Would you "find" someone online and marry them without ever meeting them? Think about it.


    Please quote where I called your stuff junk. It's not a matter of agreeing with you. You come here and ask questions after question and when someone (many people) sometimes answer you, and you don't get the answer you want, you storm off.

    Again, please tell me where I called your stuff "junk".

    That's one of the biggest things I use the BB for. Over the time I have been here I have learned by leaps and bounds. People mention something that I either had never heard of, or something where I don't agree with them, and I study it. I look it up. I ask people in my church, my Pastor and other small groups I am a member of.

    Over the last year, the people at BB have helped me grow, but I don't completely rely on them or anything on the web. And no, they don't always agree with me, just ask around. :) But that doesn' mean it's wrong. It just means that one of us is growing and becoming a better Christian.

    I don't mean to make you mad or I am not trying to upset you. I just know that the things you are facing and the questions you have can be answered and you could find help in a church.

    I do mean well, and I will be praying for you.

    Jamie
     
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    You can't ask the preacher on the recorded sermon to help you understand what he preached. That's why you are confused. Everyone needs a pastor.

    It seems like you fall into this category also...

    You ask questions but do not listen to the answers if you don't like them.

    I don't believe I know any true Christians who would make a statement like this. We should not hate anything about being a Christian. Christian means Christ-like. What you are saying is "this is exactly what I hate so much about being Christ-like".

    That's not a very good stance to take when you're asking for blessings...
     
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