can A Chrsitian Attain Sinless perfection before they Die?

That isn't answering the question.

 

Don't understand at all where you're going with this.

 

What are the assumptions of this question?

 

I thought the Scriptures says that the Word of God is able to separate the soul and spirit.

And, I thought Scriptures say we are given new bodies when we are in heaven, and here you say that the old flesh cannot be separated.

 

I just showed where your thinking that God would never use one who committed atrocities or the use of atrocities is not correct.

I gave two examples.

 

What Rapture? Where did you get that from?

 

I don't think it is always the case that it is self-focused and disregarding the people left behind.

Even the Lord mentioned that a good person would hardly lay down his life for a friend.

Besides, who actually holds the key to life?

Can anyone take their own or someone else's life if Christ really has the power over life?

 

No, you misunderstood me. I was speculating that someone like Comrade Duch could avoid excessive sorrow regarding the atrocities he committed and possibly suicide by realizing that God is ultimately in control and God is the one who allowed it all to happen. Have no idea if he went through that reasoning himself - may have just been given the gospel and the promise of the forgiveness of sin.

 

I don't try to justify the rapture. Maybe there is no rapture. I sort of think there is though. Tell everyone there isn't a Rapture, I don't care. We'll see how that works out for you.

 

Mark I'm sorry you do not seem to have any assurance in your walk with Christ. Don't you believe that when sin abounds Grace abounds much more?
Don't you sin? I've never met one soul who could live more than one day with out sinning. And by the way what makes you think I'm so terribly sinful. Was it because I was honest? You know you're not fooling anyone here, You are just as sinful as the rest of us.
MB

 

There is nobody here as sinful as me.

Or is that a boast. But then my boasting would also be sinful.

So, now I have added sin upon sin.

I am as Paul said - a wretched man.

My bride calls me pitiful and pathetic.

 

In absolute honesty, I never gave your personal sin level a moment's thought - so maybe its you who thinks you're terribly sinful.

I never said I considered I was righteous enough to know with certainty I would be leaving in the Rapture, either. The Rapture isn't the same as eternal salvation. Don't know how anyone could claim there are only Jews in revelation after Chapter 4.

There is a tipping point for sin. God tells one of the Churches that IF you don't repent you will be cast into great suffering. So therefore, they had already sinned a lot - if they repented they wouldn't have to face the penalty. If they kept on they would (whatever that penalty was).

 

:thumbsup: No doubt He calls all of us that and it deserving.
MB

 

That is because I cannot believe you are serious.

 

Are you saying that you practice sin?

 

OK, suppose (for you reformers here) that a person is born "predestined" to be saved, but he has not yet come to the Lord by the time of the rapture?

Does he go to heaven because he is "predestined"?

Or does he go to Hell because he has not been saved yet?

John

 

I'll give it some thought DaChaser. I like your attitude anyway. I like everyone here actually. But the threat of retribution for our sins, here on earth, is found throughout the New Testament Epistles. I've listed several passages in this thread. And what is the ultimate earthly retribution: I would submit it is to be left behind and subject to the System of the Beast, an alien power. Just as the Children of Israel were warned in the O.T. of impending retribution and subjugation to an alien power, so the Church is as as well.