Can a Dead Body Sin?

I love you brother! :wavey:

Let me say that from what I know of you and your post I believe you are a sincere born of God brother in Christ and I am even more fond of you now that i heard some of your testimony and that it is much like my own.

I don't want to "brow beat" a brother in Christ. I will brow beat a doctrine though. You answered my question a bit obscurely in my opinion so I wanted to make clarification before assuming anything.

I believe you do see a problem with your views of Romans 8 when applying them to your very own testimony. Why not answer these questions and let the truth shape this discussion. Are you absolutely unwilling to question your own beliefs? I like to allow all questions so that I am always satisfied that my view is correct. Above all, even my own convictions, I want God's word to shape my views and forever test my views. Let the questions fly! I will answer each and every one. If my view is exposed as wrong I will make the adjustments. God's word must prevail!

Here they are again if it pleases you to respond, not with any speeches, but with answers, like "yes" or "no"..........

When you say "had a relationship with the Lord" do you mean Spirit had given birth to your spirit, born again(Jo 3), received His seed(1Jo 3:9), received His seal of ownership(Eph 4:30), received His unction(1Jo 2:20)?

Did you have the Spirit of Christ while living this part of your life filled with sin?


God Bless brother :thumbs:

 

Well, we are blood brothers :thumbs:

Amen! this is scripture.

Jhn 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all [men] unto me.

Jhn 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

This answers my first question. Yes, you were born again at a young age.

Our testimonies are so similiar. I was born-again at age ten. At age 23 I chose to sin (the "big" sins) and lived in sin for the next ten years. At age 33 two brothers in Christ witnessed to me, believing I was unsaved and it challenged me to examine myself. I studied the scriptures for the first time ever and discovered they had good reason to believe that I wasn't saved. I repented of my sin and began studying God's word daily. I am 44 now and love every minute of the time I get to spend in His word and in fellowship with His children. I feel remorse to this day for the ten years I spent wasting my time and God's time.

But here is the delema I faced. Was I born of God at age ten or was I born of God at age 33? This was very important, I needed to know the answer. After many months of study and prayer I came to the conclusion that I truly had been born-again at age ten. I reflected back on the time I prayed to God confessing my sins and asking Jesus to be my Savior. The years following I always had a daily relationship with Jesus and the Holy Spirit led me into righteousness. As I testified before, I chose sin at age 23 with the Holy Spirit shaking my very being to not engage.

So I asked you. Did you have the Holy Spirit while you were living this life of sin?

You can only find this answer in scripture. The question is not did you feel you had the Holy Spirit while living in this sin, for we all at times feel God is very far off, ecspecially when we break fellowship through sin.

According to the scripture you cannot say you would have gone to hell if you died while in the condition of rebellion. This is only a feeling. One can only be born of God once. Being born of God is receiving the Holy Spirit indwellment through regeneration. It is not a coming along side or even a coming along inside but it is the creation of an entirely new creature. This is why it is called a birth.

1Cr 6:17But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

1Cr 6:20For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

If you were born again prior to this sinfest then you most certainly did have the Holy Spirit regeneration indwellment as you were sinning. And since you had the Holy Spirit indwellment you most certainly would have gone to heaven if found dead in such a condition of sin. Those having the Spirit of Christ belong to Christ. Those having not the Spirit of Christ do not belong to Christ. Children of God do not go to hell. Sins are paid for and covered by Jesus Christ for every soul that received Him.

Your sin and my sin caused us to "feel" lost as it should. God could have taken us home and we would have found ourselves at His feet with nothing to offer but a bunch of wasted life. But praise Him! He called us to repentence and is letting us a chance to complete the good works which He before ordained that we should walk in.

I felt lost as well HP. But the scripture teaches regeneration and this can only take place once. You did indeed have the Spirit while living in this sin. Having the Spirit is God's seal of ownership as a child of His.

As I said before, you and I are very good examples of OSAS.

God Bless! :wavey:

 

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Praise :jesus:




So HP.......REJOICE!

 

Amen! :godisgood:

 

That "sea of forgetfulness" has to be mighty handy doesn't it. "never to be remembered against you again" must be done over and over too. Seems God has to save you and save you and save you, no end to it. How many times did Jesus die for sins, someone refresh my mind???? Or, is it because you are saved, that means sinning ain't sinning, just fun for the flesh????? I guess its hard to wait until church is over, so you can get back to some of that non-sinning? You know some of the early preachers, preached that the MK would be for fulfilling all sensual desires of the flesh.

So, the person that says within himself, I think I will go over and hit on my neighbor's wife. Her husband is not there, so it will be a good time. Me and the indwelling Holy Spirit will just bounce right over there and have some good old fashion lustful sexual experience with my neighbor. I will be alright though, the Holy Spirit is with me. Jeepers...................:tear:

Then along comes Jesus and says "go and sin no more", for if you do willingly, you will not be in Heaven. (My words), but scripture will certainly support it. Man, a lot of people are going to come up short, I am afraid. I will try and warn them, but don't think they will listen. I think they have figured out a way around it all, in their mind.

I have great confidence in you HP, for what I have learned of you now. I will not attempt to make you righteous, if you were out there as the world in the past. It is not mine to give or take away anyway. I know this, you have a heart and mind of your own, and if you were serving the devil for a while, the Spirit of the Lord may have been there but it was there to tell you of your condition, not to console your soul, and Jesus says, if you die in your sins, where I am you cannot come. The truth must be told.

BBob,

 

I am so thankful you understood, what I was saying. I wouldn't hurt you for the world. God Bless and I am glad you have that true "peace" to your soul.

BBob,

 

Do you know exactly what Brother Bob believes HP? He believes those who sin like we did NEVER were Born of God in the first place. Is this what you believe?

I wish you would have said this earlier, this clears things up much better. When I asked you if you had been born-again before plunging into this life of sin you basically implied yes. If the above statement is accurate, and God showed you that you was in a lost condition, then you were being drawn by the Holy Spirit and never ever saved (born of God) yet, even though you "thought" maybe you were.

See it isn't about what we "feel or think", it is about what God's word declares of the lost and of the saved.

If you were in a lost condition as you say you were, then you did not HAVE the Holy Spirit INDWELLMENT. We have to rely upon scripture and the scripture makes it emphatically clear that those born of God have the Holy Spirit indwellment, regeneration, a new creature.

You seem to think that born-again is something that comes and goes. This is your error in understanding the scriptures and God's work in your own life.

AMEN! :thumbs:

 

Amen! To the uttermost! Always mentoring, chasening those He loves and being that Perfect Father. Praise Him!

It was Once :thumbs:

It's still sinning.

Many are sinning in thought as they sit in church. Maybe their minds are wondering off into sin as they are being bored to death by unSpirited sermons.

Every situation has it's on circumstances, but the one you described above seems to go against what a born of God person would say in his heart.

Glad you put in the "(my words)" .

Keep warning them brother, there is no harm in preaching to keep yourself holy and blameless. Those looking for ways around condemnation for sin are most likely unregenerated.

God Bless! :jesus:

 

Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy [against] the [Holy] Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

Jesus made one exception, otherwise all means all. Unto men means unto men. He did not say unto all Christians.
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You love to use this expression. Things that are opposites are not just the same. This is why it is soo difficult to follow your train of thought and this is why it appears you have no solid positions.

This is not the same as brother Bob's view. Bob's view is that Christians do not sin, period! If you have sinned (these are the "big" sins like adultery he speaks of) then you are not and NEVER was a Christian.

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1Jo 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for [the sins of] the whole world.

No.

Jhn 3:18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

none.

Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy [against] the [Holy] Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.


All will not believe.

blasphemy [against] the [Holy] Ghost

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