Can a person loose salvation or Once saved always saved?

That's a verse taken out of context a lot. That verse doesn't have anything to do with eternal salvation. We are not saved by the name of Jesus, but the death and shed blood of Jesus, the Lamb of God.

Jews didn't believe in Jesus before he arrived on earth. That wasn't what God told them to believe in. His disciples didn't even believe in His death until it actually happened.

 

Of course that is what I am arguing -- "no devils in heaven".

But how in the world is that a "different discussion" if the discussion is whether OSAS is true? The point made from the example of Judas - is that OSAS is false.

In Christ,

Bob

 

As stated

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If you are arguing that Judas may have been saved (After all he was sent out - did evangelism and had the outpouring of the Holy Spirit - spiritual gifts given to his ministry) - I agree.

But in then end - he was still lost. (Matt 18 "Forgiveness revoked" and Rom 11 "Cast out of the vine of Christ" explains this fully)