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  1. exscentric

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    Can a third party get off the ground in the present mess?

    It seems if there was a time, this might be it. I've never gone looking for a third because I didn't think a win would be possible, but wondering if ....
     
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    YES WE CAN!!!! It takes faith, some common sense, a respect for the Constitution, a desire to elect those who serve and not steal, and a quick analyzation of the numbers. It also takes a different mindset than you get from 90% of the posters on this board who constantly bicker about who is more Godly, democrats or republicans.

    The first thing that we have to realize is that the Democrats and Republicans control 100% of the power in this country. Then, we have to realize neither party is interested in the Constitution. Third, we have to call the present leaders exactly what they are: thieves and power mongers. Finally, we have to learn that their range of governing is liberal to socialist.

    With those facts in mind, it becomes apparant that whatever differences the media creates between the two is very minor. Nothing is going to change until the parties are dismantled and something takes their place to govern by the Constitution and serve instead of steal.

    Lets take a look at the numbers. About half of the people who could register to vote are not registered. Of those registered, on a hotly contested election, some 60% might vote. On top of that, of all those registered, about 30% are Independents. And finally the icing. There are millions of Democrats and Republicans that are fed up to the nth degree with both parties. The numbers are there to crush both parties in one election.

    Now, obviously there are some obstacles. First, we need someone, a God fearing leader who believes in the Constitution, and is honest, to unite all the above groups, to inspire them. We also have to fight the lobbyists, corporate thugs, and Wall Street crooks who have an unholy alliance with the thieves in power.

    I think the new government should take every defeated member of Congress and the Executive Branch, present and back in time to the statute of limitations, and put them on trial for treason, bribery, and theft of the American people, and upon conviction, send them to a prison with chain gangs.
     
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    A third party almost won in NY. Having entered the campaign late and only losing by on percentage point shows the possibility.
     
  4. KenH

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    Yes, it the American people turn their backs on the duopoly the Democrats and Republicans have created.
     
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    A third party. This is the one thing both parties fear more than losing an election.

    My opinion of course.


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  6. Johnv

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    At the POTUS level, the answer can be found on the corner of No Street and No Way. In Congress, it's occaisionally possible. At state office levels, it's much mroe likely, since state elections usually aren't as partisan as federal offices are.
     
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    Which third party? Would a couple of third parties join forces? What would bring the tea party folks together. When I looked at our area there were a dozen groups represented.

    Will fiery rhetoric work? What platform? Does he have to be Godly as we know it or could he just be a moral type?

    What would it take for those of us that voted republican knowing that a split vote would loose it, to bring us over to vote for a third party candidate for president?

    I think if there was ever a time it is now for the president as well as congress but I think it is going to take a real leader in all third parties to come together to pull it off.
     
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    You're kidding yourself, Johnv... in 1992 the popular vote was...

    45 Million votes for Clinton.
    39 Million votes for Bush I.
    20 Million votes for Perot.

    Now if that's not a fact that speaks to American's willingness to embrace possible change, I don't know what is. If we get an independent that can reach out with common sense like Perot did and stick to the Constitution I think we'd all be very surprised.

    The Constitution Party seems to be gaining steam every day from what I'm seeing at the grassroots level.

    I still kick myself for having voted for Perot in '92. He was the spoiler to be sure, but I'd do it all over again, running the risk of allowing the dem in just to send another message to the republicans that I'm not happy with them. I hear the same thing from a lot of my republican friends too.

    The liberals are going to continue to vote for dems... it's us moderates and conservatives that need to get our act together and pull for a REAL CONSERVATIVE rather than a light version.
     
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    How many votes did Ron Paul (the most qualified POTUS candidate, IMO) get last year?
     
  10. Aaron

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    No. A third party will only guarantee a Socialist win. Democrats are united in their Socialism.

    Conservatives need to take back the Republican Party.
     
  11. exscentric

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    "Conservatives need to take back the Republican Party."

    I was told by a man very active in the rep party in OR that the eastern rich repubs are the reason for the parties present situation but that the western repubs are trying to change that.
     
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    Erm... Ron Paul was a Republican candidate and did not receive the nomination, so RP did not receive any votes unless they were write-in votes.
     
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    Thus the reason to have a fusion ballot.
     
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    Absolutely not, under any circumstances. The Republicans have been playing games with liberalism since 1989. They have had twenty years to get their act together, that is, to support the Constitution and be guided by conservative principles. Over the last eight years, they nearly brought the country to its knees.

    At election time, they pound the podium about family values, balanced budgets, controlled borders, social security reform, medicare reform (not even going to get into the abortion issue), limited government, and the biggest laugh of all, competent government. Once they get their votes, what happens then? Family values, Republicans, what a joke. Ref. Senators Craig, Vitter, and Ensign, Congressman Foley, and Governor Sanford. Until this last administration, Bush ran up record deficits. They failed to control the borders, failed to reform social security, failed to reform medicare, and expanded government to its highest level in history. They had the Congress for six years, and the reason they did not have it eight years was ineptness.

    The only thing conservatives need to do when they take back the party is throw it on the ash heap of history. The same fate awaits the Democrats for being even more liberal than the conservatives. Both parties are a stench to the Lord, and its time to get rid of them.

    Republican apologists can make all the excuses they want to for the last eight years, the fact is they failed miserably, and as far as I am concerned, it is their fault Obama won the election. We sat by and failed to hold their feet to the fire, so we reap what we sow, in this case, four to eight years of Obama.
     
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    I thought RP coninued on after McCain received the nomination?
     
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    NO!

    No, because old people always vote and young people seldom vote. I thought that when the 18 year olds got the vote that the drinking age would drop to 18 but it didn't. Young people have no effect on national policy.

    No, because the devil we know is preferred to the devil we don't know.

    No, because no one will vote to reduce or eliminate their own special deal and/or their government check.

    No, because half the US economy is underground and half the people like it that way.

    The people who think their state should pull out of the US? First they should convince the old people in their state to stop cashing their SS check.
     
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    I think the success of Dough Hoffman shows that a third party candidate definitely can win.
     
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    "Yes of course it is possible for a third party to win. The smaller the election the higher that possibility.

    However! The strength of the third party has always been their ability to influence national policy by forcing the major parties to modify thier positions to earn their voters. The big problem is the major parties are not listening.

    All the Republicans needed to do to win the last election was nominate a conservative, they did not. All they needed to do to win NY 23 was nominate a conservative, they did not. The only way the Democrats can continue to hold power is if we continue to see Republican liberals like Bush and McCain nominated, yet all I hear from Republican leaders is how they need to "move to the middle" and "be more inclusive."

    I will not vote for another liberal Republican.
     
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    I will not vote for another Republican. I now belong to the Constitution Party. There is one exception. I am voting for Rand Paul in next years Republican primary for US Senate from Kentucky.
     
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    The problem there is that Ky has closed primary elections. If registered Constitution Party you cannot vote in a Republican primary.
     

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