Can God-Given Faith be Defective?

IDOTG Scorecard

JArthur:

Thanks for posting the Labels "scorecard" from my blog.


LM

 

Will Not Be Deterred

A note to each of you who have a problem with my addressing the egregious errors of Lordship Salvation:

I am not going to surrender the doctrinal high-ground or stop sounding the alarm as long as there exists the teaching and spread of Lordship Salvation.

You can raise any complaint you like, question my motives, character, integrity and reputation just as much as you feel compelled to do so. None of it, however, will deter me from doing all I can to protect unsuspecting believers, across a broad spectrum of evangelical Christianity, from the works based, man-centered message that is Lordship Salvation. Neither will I be deterred from identifying the men who are the most prolific advocates of Lordship’s false interpretation of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.


LM

 

For those of you who are lurking in these threads- keep in mind that IMO the LS controversy is NOT over what should be the natural results of salvation. The crux and focal point of the doctrinal controversy is over what Lordship requires of the lost for salvation.

Requirements for salvation, NOT the results of salvation is the crux of the debate.​

I understand why many will not post in these threads. Any one of you is welcome to e-mail me with questions and/or comments. I do my best to respond to all well-intentioned contacts.

If you want to post comments in any of my *37 Lordship Salvation articles JArthur graciously pointed out above, you are welcome to do so. I will interact with you there. I do not allow for the kind of vitriol that is often present at more open discussion boards. Your views will not become targets for uncharitable attacks by those who disagree with you and your views.

Kind regards,


LM

*Lordship Salvation Article #38 will be posted at my blog later this evening.

 

To Reiterate:

A note to each of you who have a problem with my addressing the egregious errors of Lordship Salvation.

I am not going to surrender the doctrinal high-ground or stop sounding the alarm as long as there exists the teaching and spread of Lordship Salvation.

You can raise any complaint you like, question my motives, character, integrity and reputation just as much as you feel compelled to do so. None of it, however, will deter me from doing all I can to protect unsuspecting believers, across a broad spectrum of evangelical Christianity, from the works based, man-centered message that is Lordship Salvation. Neither will I be deterred from identifying the men who are the most prolific advocates of Lordship’s false interpretation of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.


LM

 

To BB Readers:

Please understand some of these men are intent on doing what they can to distract attention away from the documented proof that Lordship Salvation is a false interpretation of the Gospel. It appears they believe questioning motives is a suitable way to avoid the obvious meaning of the documented statements on LS by men such as John MacArthur.

They consistently cry, “misrepresentation,” because they have no answer to the obvious doctrinal errors in the LS interpretation of the Gospel.

This thread was opened with an article from Pastor George Zeller. Brother Zeller has written volumes that expose and prove from the Scriptures that Lordship Salvation is a false gospel, a works based message. For example see Zeller's John MacArthur's Position on the Lordship of Christ

Zeller, just as I do, quotes MacArthur and addresses the quotation. Of course, the cry against Zeller in this thread was, “misrepresentation.”

Do not let the cries of “misrepresentation,” from LS apologists deter you from reading and testing LS against the Scriptures. And remember the debate is over the requirements for, NOT the results of salvation.

In this article Zeller shows another one of MacArthur’s views that “fails the test of Scripture.”

These men have my prayers for their recovery from the teachings of Lordship Salvation, and the extra-biblical presuppositions from the circle logic of five point Calvinism that lead to LS. In the meantime I will do what I can to advise and protect the unsuspecting from the egregious errors of Lordship Salvation so that, Lord willing, not one more falls into this doctrinal trap.

John MacArthur teaches that the God-given faith of a believer cannot be defective. Here is Zeller’s article.

Let’s allow the LS apologists to tackle Zeller’s article that is based on a direct statement by Dr. John MacArthur. Or, will they redirect away from this compelling article?


LM

For another documented example from the writing of John MacArthur that Lordship Salvation conditions the reception of salvation on a commitment to perform works read John MacArthur on James 4:7-10

 

Rippon:

You need to submit your emotions to the lordship of Christ and control of the Spirit of God. Your reactions are showing and they will be your undoing.

Try to focus on the doctrine.


LM

 

To All:

I began the Lordship's "Turn from Sin" FOR Salvation thread with this opening comment,

It was canadyjd whom I was referencing that does not understand these issues.

Because of their emotionalism and lack of fair discussion practices I try not to name or directly reference the LS/MacArthur apologists. However, canadyjd just posted another ill-advised comment that needs to be drawn attention to. I would rather not have to embarrass him again, but he needs to be shown and others warned of how far askew of the true nature of the Lordship controversy he is looking in from.

His (canadyjd’s) history shows that for months he was trying to defend LS as MacArthur defines it, but admitted he had never read any of MacArthur's books. All the while he kept instructing BB readers to go to the Grace to You site and read MacArthur’s Introduction to Lordship Salvation for the truth of what MacArthur believes.

Here is an example of what must have been the dozens of repostings by canadyjd of this referral and link to MacArthur’s Introduction to Lordship Salvation.

(See comment #2 under my article, Sixth Lordship Distinctive- Reviewed, which ironically is based on MacArthur’s Introduction to Lordship Salvation.)

Today, in another BB thread on LS, canadyjd posts this amazing statement,

Canadyjd spent months directing BB readers to that very same on line article by MacArthur. Dozens of times he linked to and referenced that article as the source of what MacArthur really believes about LS. Now that I have referenced a paragraph from the same article he endorsed and demonstrated from that paragraph one of the egregious errors of LS canadyjd back peddles on his dozens of previous endorsements of MacArthur’s Introduction to LS.

This is what happens when a man who does not read or fails to read with discernment and therefore, does not understand what he is trying to defend.

Canadyjd, you should prayerfully consider bowing out of these discussions until such time you come to understand LS and exactly what MacArthur is teaching through his various apologetics on Lordship Salvation. If that time ever comes you might at least be able to deal with the teaching instead of the personality issues that dominate your comments and enflames your passions.

IMO, the tone and nature of your repetitive comments do not reflect the heart of a man who is living a Spirit-filled life at this particular time.


LM

 

Forgiveness, Eternal Life is to be Born Again

Excerpting from the quote by MacArthur,

Now, let's put the bold sections together,

The Gospel is God's redemptive plan for lost mankind. When the lost man believes the Gospel he receives "forgiveness" and he receives the gift of "eternal life," i.e. he is "born again."

Apart from corrupting and redefining the obvious meaning of the "Gospel," it is impossible to divorce receiving "forgiveness" of sin and "eternal life" from the term and what it means to be "born again."


LM