Can I be in God's will and support new versions?

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  1. uhdum

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    I have dealt with several KJVOs who are good friends and love the Lord... however, they tend to believe that anyone that uses a modern version is simply not as close to God as they should be.

    Therefore, I ask the question of all those who hold the KJVO position... is a person who supports modern versions and is against the KJVO movement (not the KJV, mind you, no one is against it) out of God's will?

    Just asking this question based on observations from this board and my own personal experience.

    God bless!
     
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    Most all mv advocates are against the KJB, where have you been?

    Also I don't believe in equating "spirituality" by any method other than your individual walk with God, it's between you and Him.

    I preach a message when I see this "Oh-so-spiritual" crowd vaunt themselves, they tend to cipher themselves and others into a "clique" and always look down their snooty self righteous noses at others. One point I make is, "If you're as spiritual as you think you are, we'd have to tie a string to you to keep you from floating away" coupled with "We'd have to untangle you from the ceiling fans".

    A man can only get as "close to God" as his "Bible" will lead him through the helpings and guidance of the Holy Ghost.

    How can the Holy Ghost guide you into all Truth with misleading and contradictory "scripture"? He can't, and He doesn't. That should well suffice to answer your question, that is for those who require "details" for "proof".

    Brother Jim's answer "Yes" is just as sufficient.
     
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    This board, if not posting for the last three years, often reading posts and conducting research. I wouldn't have posted it if I had observed it to be false. Anyway, sorry for opening up that can of worms on this thread. Maybe I'll make another one later on with that topic.

    God bless!
     
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    Good to here that from "Anti-MVers" [​IMG] It is a shame that not all who advocate the KJB as the only Bible believe as you do regarding this matter.

    God bless
     
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    Yes, and I am a MV/KJV user, so I am not against the KJV. I Love it. As much as I love my NASB.

    2Ti 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

    Notice it says *All*, not just the KJV.
     
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    Read the question again, tiny, you're confusing me. Are you now an mv advo and KJVO at the same time? :confused: "M"ad"V"ocate? [​IMG]
     
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    I'm not only a MV advocate, but also a KJV advocate. I'll take a stand against anyone or anything that declares the Bible is just man-made.
    There is a difference between a KJV advocate and a KJVO advocate.
    Since Paul says "All scripture is given by inspiration of God...." I believe him.
    KJV, NASB,NIV,ESV, and so on.
    The Question was, "can I be in God's will and support new versions?"
    My answer: Yes
    Sorry for the confusion.
     
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    I see you answered your own question, also with the false accusation against those who stand on the KJB.

    Here's uhdum's question again: "is a person who supports modern versions and is against the KJVO movement ...... out of God's will?"

    You answered "Yes". So we conclude you out of God's will?
     
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    That is sad and patently false. Sitting in judgment of a brother/sister and then blaspheming good English translations of God's Word is deplorable.

    I love and use the KJV1769 revision. I also use the NKJV regularly (both study Bibles - MacArthur and Reformed Study - are NKJV). I like the ASV1901 for its accuracy in translating Greek verbs. Use the NIV and NASB and CJB (Complete Jewish Bible) for casual reading, but not a fan of such translations that are also interpretations.

    And I am a fierce defender of inspiration in the Word of God and also in ALL good English translations.
     
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    So are the father and mother become one flesh after their "man" leaves(Nasv) or is it as the KJB reads that a man leave his father and mother and cleave unto his wife and they become one flesh?

    Which one's God's will?
     
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    Precepts, if you can't stay on topic, I'll systematically help you . . out. Start a thread with your question. Allow this thread to meet the desire of its originator.

    Thanks.
     
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    I wonder what God sees in all this pride of translations? I cannot think of a single time that Jesus adressed the issue of what Greek translation, Hebrew or Aramaic text to use can you?
     
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    Ok, Precepts, I see the confusion. I was answering the question in the title of this thread.
    Sorry, I must be getting tired. Just got back a few hours ago from a skating party with 29 youth.
    (That explains a lot)

    To answer both questions at once. it doesn't matter which version you use. That has nothing to do with being in God's will.
     
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    "Systematically" help me "out" Doc, the question is about whether a person can be in God's will and support modern versions and be against KJVO. I answered his question. I then asked Tiny a question; about God's will and offering what is found in a "modern version" and being that I am labeled "KJVO" by your judgemental bunch.

    Isn't this a debate forum? [​IMG]
     
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    posted by uhdum
    Brother Jim,

    Could you give us some scriptural evidence to support this answer my brother?
     
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    "Systematically" help me "out" Doc, the question is about whether a person can be in God's will and support modern versions and be against KJVO. I answered his question. I then asked Tiny a question; about God's will and offering what is found in a "modern version" and being that I am labeled "KJVO" by your judgemental bunch.

    Isn't this a debate forum? [​IMG]
    </font>[/QUOTE]Sometimes we just have to eat humble pie whether we are right or wrong.

    1 Peter 2:21-24, "For you have been called for this purpose, since Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example for you to follow in His steps, who committed no sin, nor was any deceit found in His mouth; and while being reviled, He did not revile in return; while suffering, He uttered no threats, but kept entrusting Himself to Him who judges righteously; and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed."

    "labeled "KJVO" by your judgemental bunch."

    You can disagree and still show respect. I don't even always agree with what I believed a few years ago. I hope you don't either due to growth.

    Consider giving people the benefit of the doubt. That is a part of love found in 1 Cor. 13.

    Romans 2:1-2, "Therefore you have no excuse, everyone of you who passes judgment, for in that which you judge another, you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things. And we know that the judgment of God rightly falls upon those who practice such things."

    Nobody is perfect but it just might help to follow the admonition in 1 Tim. 5:1,2, "Do not sharply rebuke an older man, but rather appeal to him as a father, to the younger men as brothers, the older women as mothers, and the younger women as sisters, in all purity."

    Our moderators name is not Doc but Dr. Bob Griffin. We need to address anyone him respect. My understanding is that he has a few years on several of us. He is also a pastor and professor.
     
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    O.K., gb, but read those again, and include the one about PRESUMPTUOUS SINS. I asked Dr. Bob if I might refer to him as "Doc" and he had no objection, why do YOU? There is the scripture that says to "entreat him as a father" So now should we call him "Father Dr. Bob Griffin"? :rolleyes:
     
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    NO!

    Kenneth
     
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