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Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Yeshua1, Mar 12, 2013.

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  1. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
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    paul was called and commissoned by jesus as his Apostle to the gentiles, he was appointed as such as one "born out of season"...

    he saw the risen christ, who converted and commissioned him to be his spokesman, and he proved that calling by Apsotolic gifts and inspired scriptures...

    ANY able to claim and verify that since paul?
     
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    Your rationalization knows no boundaries.
    Paul:
    --spent three years in Arabia receiving direct revelation with Jesus Christ before he even met the Apostles.
    --The apostles, first afraid of him, then readily accepted him as an apostle.
    --The Lord appeared to Annanias and told him he would be a special vessel for him, suffering many things for His sake.
    --Paul testifies many times how God called him to be the Apostle to the Gentiles, while Peter was the Apostle to the Jews.
    --In at least two epistles he writes, that God called him as an "preacher, an apostle and a teacher."
    --In Romans 1:1, he introduces himself as an apostle of Jesus Christ.

    The main requirement stated there is that he must be a witness to the resurrection which he was. Read 1Cor.15
     
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    Where does it say that the apostles will be here until we all come to the unity of the faith..."? It doesn't say that.
    The letter was written to the Ephesians. You will have to ask them.
    That is not to say that many of the things that were written to the Ephesians are not applicable to us today, but obviously "apostles" are not. The Ephesian Church lived in the day and age of the Apostles, we don't.
    The word "that" (that which is to come) is in the neuter "teleios" just like certain words that refer to the "word." There is no such thing as "The Church". That is a Roman Catholic invention. The word ekklesia always means local church. The word means assembly. The churches were complete before the end of the first century. In fact the church of Jerusalem was "complete" and functioning by Acts 6 and especially by Acts 15, where we see James as its pastor and James as the one giving the decision of the matter in question. There are only churches in the Bible, not "The Church." Your theory doesn't fit.
    There is no "Church," only "churches." Ekklesia means assembly. There is no such thing as an unassembled assembly.
    No, it means our image is reflected back to us in the mirror of God's Word.
    I don't get rid of it; I rightly divide the word of truth. When the apostles died, the apostolic age ended. When Moses died the age of Moses ended. When the OT Prophets died, the prophetic age ended. Doesn't common sense appeal to you?
    Who is to say that we deny the power of the Holy Spirit, except for you?
    You are one confused person.
     
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    Never seen one! But others have witnessed and some have been healed by laying on of hands! Apostle is one sent/called by God!
     
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    I do not put boundaries where the Word does not! YOu on the othere hand put limits on God and but him in your little box! If He called Paul...he could call others!
     
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    Context! Context! I shared this!




    Ephesians 4:11-13 "And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son [hwee-os] of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:"
     
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    You use that for any part of the scriptures that you do not want to believe!
     
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    You added complete canon/ scripture/bible to the word of God! In context the Bible is not even mentioned in that chapter! He is speaking of maturity! The church is not complete! I would call it far from being mature!
     
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    No confusion here! Just because the original 12 apostles died does not mean the Holy Spirit stop manifesting Himself through the church! THe apostles were not the only ones that walked it out!
     
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    The word for church is ekklesia, a feminine noun. It means assembly, which cannot be unassembled. It defies the meaning you attach to it.

    The word teleios means "complete" referring to the "completed word of God," It is a neuter word, as is "the Word", agreeing in gender. When that which is "perfect" or "complete" then that which is "in part" (revelatory gifts) "would pass away." The context is revelation. You can't change the context to "church" when it is speaking of "revelation." You can't change the gender of words. You can't insert any old subject you want just to fit your own theology.
     
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    You still don't get it do you.
    No one argues that the Holy Spirit stopped manifesting himself. He still works today in different ways through different individuals.
    However as Heb.2:3,4 state, the gifts of the Holy Spirit were specific signs for the Apostles. And they have ceased.
     
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    IMO, this definition does NOT apply to the super-important 5-fold ministry (Eph 4:11).
    I believe all of these are called by God, and 3 are sent by God
    to go outside of da church where the unbelievers are.

    'Course it doesn't matter since no one here knows what the 5-fold ministry is.

    They tink these ministerial offices died off with the end of the original apostles.
    Ha! ... What a laugh ... 'Tis actually difficult to stop laughin'.
    That's why I can't visit very often ... bad for my health.

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    It surely will be merciful when this thread gets long enough to close.

    Just sayin...
     
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    Yes, it will.
     
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