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Can Reformers Really NOT Be Calvinists?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by DrJamesAch, Jun 25, 2013.

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  1. DrJamesAch

    DrJamesAch New Member

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    http://www.biblebelievers.com/Vance4.html

    Excellent section taken from Laurence Vance's book, "The Other Side of Calvinism" that shows a DoG, SoG, Reformed Baptist, etc..can not separate themselves from the doctrine called "Calvinism".

    Those who dogmatically claim they are not followers of John Calvin always show up on threads where a Non Calvinist is refuting Calvinism. If they are not really Calvinists, then why so defensive against those who write threads against Calvinism?

    The Reformers, DoGs, SoGs, etc..are quick to defend the doctrines of a man they claim they do not follow, and then when John Calvin's murder of heretics, sprinkling of babies, heretical view of the sacraments, as well as the evidence of his heavy reliance on Augustine for the development of his views are addressed, these groups are quick to attempt to disassociate themselves with the person of Calvin.

    Reformers, DoGs, SoGs, embrace the label of Calvin when it suits their debate tactics, and then ditch the term when it is inconvenient when the fallacies of Calvin and Augustine are brought up.

    CALVINISTS (oh yes they are) do not consider it important that their entire belief system was derived from a heretic. What I wrote on another thread bares repeating:

     
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    Crickets! LOL
     
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    EWF seemed to have a ..."strong opinion" ...on this but seems to have headed to the hills about the time this thread showed up.

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    Many who embrace some of the TULIP say they are not Calvinists, meaning they do not embrace John Calvin, they embrace Christ. However, when asked which of the TULIP doctrines they disavow, they dodge the question.

    It seems the common characteristic of Calvinists is they speak in code, not a Calvinist does not mean not an advocate of the Doctrines of Grace. God is sovereign means God has predestined whatsoever comes to pass. Both "love" and "draw" means "irresistible grace." Chose includes meaning non-choice.

    Jesus said our yes should be yes and our no should be no, meaning we should speak clearly without guile. Telling us what they are not to hide what they are. Shuck and jive.
     
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    I agree with you.
     
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    God bless those crickets... that's all you're going to get out of me.
     
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    Win/Win because I wasn't expecting anything from you :)
     
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    I'm an Augustinian Calvinist. I got more points than a trophy deer.

    :tonofbricks:
     
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    Ian Paisley:

    "I've got five points,and all of them are SHARP!"
     
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