Can the Christian church support nationalsim?

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  1. Crabtownboy

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    The following quote is from a 1934 report published by the Baptist World Alliance commission on Nationalism. Nils Johan Nordström, Vice-President of the Swedish Baptists was the head of the commission. Historically the report is speaking about the issue of National Socalism that was growing in power and influence in Germany. I believe the quote below is still valid today:

     
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    I agree with this statement. Jesus commanded us to be in this world but not of this world. The Christian church is the bride of Christ not a vehicle for supporting the government or a political party.
     
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    More liberal fluff from Crabby. Thanks but no thanks.
     
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    Jesus Christ did say:

    Matthew 22:21. They say unto him, Caesar’s. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.
     
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    And how is this constructive?

    If you don't agree or want to post fine, but if you do how about adding some substance there? Just a thought.
     
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    So where is your substance in this post?
     
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    Sag, can you tell why you think it is "liberal fluff"? What is liberal about it? Give me some substance please and not just a one liner that sahs nothing.

    What do you mean by no thanks?

    Remember this was written in 1934 and was directed at Hitler and his pals in Germany. So, please use as a context.
     
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    Do you agree or disagree with the quoted statement?

    Why do you agree or disagree?
     
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    Where is any substance in your post?
     
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    I agree with the statement, though I don't think it means that our Christianity shouldn't play a key role in our politics.

    nationalistic: devotion to the interests or culture of a particular nation including promoting the interests of one country over those of others

    My interpretation of the statement is that the Church should not be used to promote the interests of a particular nation over another nation. That I can totally agree with. The Church should not be a tool of the state. We should, however, utilize the state as a tool of the Church to spread the love of Jesus to as many people as possible. That includes voicing our Christian beliefs to stop things such as abortion.
     
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    Hmm..so you, sag38, believe that the Church should be a tool of government? Strange. That's doesn't fit in with any Christian view that I'm aware of.
     
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    What things do you consider to be Caesar's?
     
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    Very good question for a new thread.

    To answer the question we cannot just quote Matt. 22:21 ... but have to put it in its context:

    Jesus is saying, IMHO, that tribute to Casear is all right. He is not saying that blind loyality to Cesar ... or to any state is permissible. Complete loyality is to be given only to God and never to the government. To give blind loyality to the government is to make it an idol of worship and the men to govern also idols. History shows that when this is done very bad things happen.
     
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    Complete intentional fabrication.
     
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    Why should I answer questions from the "Christian" left which is exactly where this article is coming from? No matter what I say it will be misconstrued so again I say, "Liberal Fluff. Thanks but no thanks."
     
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    If you don't care to even comment on the topic at hand, why bother posting in this thread at all? Just to keep your "jab" in and act childish?
     
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    No, sir, you are a liar. I am not fabricating anything, let along intentionally.
     
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    I am a liar ?

    The provide proof he said this:

    You cannot do it. Your accusations are false and unnecessary. You owe both of us an apology.
     
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    I think this is an interesting topic. Though the New Testament clearly teaches respect and submission to the state, I don't see the 'Red, White, and Blue Christianity' that is so common in the US.

    I have traveled a little to churches in other countries and never seen the same kind of Christian Nationalism that we see in America. Of course I cannot make any kind of blanket statement because I have not been everywhere.

    Should Christians 'wrap themselves in the flag?'

    I don't know. I suspect the answer lies in some kind of balance.
     
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    So how do you define "wrap yourself in the flag"?
     

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