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Can we ALL agree that God loves and wants every person to be saved?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Skandelon, Jul 24, 2011.

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  1. Winman

    Winman Active Member

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    I would ask any here that do not believe God loves all men and desires to save all men:

    HOW DO YOU KNOW GOD LOVES AND WANTS TO SAVE YOU?

    Did God appear to you like Paul on the Road to Damascus and tell you that you are elect, that he loves you personally, and that he wants to save you personally?

    How do you KNOW this?
     
  2. Earth Wind and Fire

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    Preach.....lets just give Icono time to respond. I do recall his studying Aurthur Pink. Let him expound on him. That should prove interesting. Im beginning to read him myself so Im interested in his take.:thumbs:
     
  3. Earth Wind and Fire

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    Havent you read my testimony? Back in the archives if not. :thumbs:
     
  4. preacher4truth

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    And lets give ben time to respond, OK? There was no need to construe a brother as if in darkness. :thumbsup:


    Thanks
     
  5. preacher4truth

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    Is that what He told Paul? Where? No.

    Your point?
     
  6. Benjamin

    Benjamin Well-Known Member
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    About God's light being truth for all in the world and in Him being no darkness at all:

    Case closed!
     
  7. preacher4truth

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    No, the case isn't closed at all.

    No need to paint a brother as if he is in darkness. What does darkness imply? To me it implies a lost state, and surely you don't imply such, correct?

    - Peace
     
  8. Benjamin

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    You are the one who misrepresents, my reference to darkness had to do with the Divine nature of God being light and in Him no darkness at all. You have turned this around as a personal attack toward me, accusing me of a personal attack against Iconoclast, when the issue I argued about is the attacks going on here against the Divine Nature of God. An issue you seem to have no problem with which goes to show my previous point about the leanings on this board.

    Typical deflections from the important premise at hand...
     
  9. preacher4truth

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    Uh, not so fast friend. I in fact have a serious issue with the attack upon the Divine Nature, i.e. His Sovereignty & Omniscience being relentlessly attacked. :)

    You said concerning Iconoclast:

    He is accused of preaching a love full of darkness, which implicates the preacher. No need for that. And no mirsepresentation either.

    - Peace
     
  10. Benjamin

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    Exactly, I accused 'his preaching' of being unbiblical, which they are.(1John 1:5) Can't help your convictions of the implictions that come on those that do such preaching. Live with it...
     
  11. preacher4truth

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    Now you admit to implicating Iconoclast as to living/being in darkness.

    How unfortunate and uncalled for.

    Thanks.
     
  12. Winman

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    My point is, if God does not love everyone, and if God does not desire that all men be saved, then how can you know he loves you, and how can you know he wants to save you?
     
  13. preacher4truth

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    Again:

    I asked you direct questions against your reply. Answer them. No need to go down another trail until you do.
     
  14. Robert Snow

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    Darkness doesn't have to imply lostness. It can apply to someone who is a Christian following a form of doctrine that is contrary to the bible, like Calvinism.
     
  15. Skandelon

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    I didn't think you were, which is why I made the "maverick" jest. :)

    I want you, Icon, and others to understand that the view your are exposing is really more in line with what some might call "Hyper-Calvinism." Here is an article written by respected Reformed author John Hendryx, titled "The Will of God - Hyper-Calvinism Versus Historic Calvinism," which explains why this view is not orthodox or mainstream.

    Here is the opening paragraph:

    I hope you will take some time to read it and see that what I'm saying here is not unique to me, or in anyway an attack on you all personally. I just think this belief should be a common ground for us, and can be while maintaining our soteriological differences.
     
  16. preacher4truth

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    Not Biblically. Darkness implies lostness.

    It could also apply to someone who is a Christian following a form of doctrine contrary to the Bible, like Arminianism or non-calvinistic teachings. :)

    - Peace
     
  17. Skandelon

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    I conceded the difference in our soteriological views on election from the beginning brother. We are talking about God love (or what you might label "common grace") AND his desire for all to be saved. MacArthur affirms these biblical truths as do mainstream and historical Calvinists... (see the Hendryx article above)

    MacArthur disagrees with Pink and others who take things "too far," because they don't have any biblical support for such a view. This is what I'm hoping to help curtail on the BB, if possible.
     
  18. Skandelon

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    On this point, I can understand the need to draw a distinction in God's common love and his salvific love unique to the elect. I'm fine with that, but this encompasses more than that. It also covers the genuine expressed desire of God for the salvation of all people.
     
  19. Winman

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    Paul knew how to know he was saved, by believeing on Jesus as he told the Philipian jailer. But Calvinism teaches only the regenerated elect can believe, so you have no idea if you've really believed. In fact, Calvinism teaches that unless you are regenerated, you cannot possibly know what saving faith is.

    The only way you can know you have truly believed is if you know you are regenerated.

    Isn't that so?
     
  20. Jim1999

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    The problem comes when we foolishly offer a "yes, No" answer to this type of question.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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