Can Woman teach Sunday School

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  1. Bob Colgan

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    I was having a discussion the other day with a Pastor friend of mine SBC. He held that it was not against Scripture for a woman to teach a Sunday school class when men are present. I find out that at least the little I have checked in to it that its prevelant in the SBC? I didn't think there was any question that a Womans roll did not include teaching over men. 1 Timothy 2:10-12 Any thoughts.

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    Bob,

    Your pastor's statement has a "loophole" in it. Certainly, men within a congregation, especially deacons and elders, have an obligation to "sit in" on a Sunday School teachers class to assure that sound doctrine is being taught. They would "be present" in the woman teacher's class but would have AUTHORITY over her teachings.

    IN MY OPINION, Paul's teachings on this subject has to do with AUTHORITY and who has it. IN MY OPINION, Paul's teachings are directed toward the PREACHING/TEACHING of a pastor to his congregation where AUTHORITY is a given.
     
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    In Scripture, teaching is a position of authority. YOu are authoritatively declaring from Scripture what we are to believe and what we are to do about it. Women are not to have authority over men, and therefore are not to teach men. A pastor who might listen in on a woman's SS teaching women is not under her authority.
     
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    Pastor Larry, I know in the SS class I attended up until a few months back (SBC) we had a couple teaching the class as a team, though the husband was the one "in charge". I found though, that his wife had a lot more imput into the class than he himself did. It was disturbing to some degree. I believe if the woman were to be teaching a Sunday School class with men in it that there would possibly be a violation of scripture, unless of course she was giving the womans perspective under the guidance of a male, which I find is done quite often in the SBC, even in the church services.


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    I believe it would be proper for a Godly mature Christian woman to teach women and children. I would stop it there for the simple reason of conflict and controversy. In the church is where we need peace and harmony.
     
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    I agree with Pastor Larry. My husband is MY co-teacher but then we teach the 4 year olds. I teach the lesson.
     
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    I can't believe this nonsense. You folks take a passage from Paul and build a doctrine of outright sexism. A woman can teach if she is gifted to teach and educated to teach, and if you refuse to listen to her because you're a man and she is a woman, you are missing the opportunity to learn. You folks are slaves to a 1st Century culture and you call it biblical. You might as well bring back slavery and genocide. I can give you all the scripture you need to support both.

    If you would look at the Gospels, especially Luke, you will see that Jesus encouraged the women who followed him to take an equal place with the men. Reread Luke chapter ten.

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    In my church nobody has any authority over anybody else except for the paid employees who are under authority as employees! Oh, and the children of course. But the adult teachers don't have authority over other adults in the class!
     
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    I think the nonsense is might be calling the Bible's teaching sexism. When God says it, it does not matter what other name you give to it. You still need to follow it. If you study the Bible, you find that Scripture gives a much higher place to women than ancient near eastern culture did outside of life in Israel. God has given women a very high place. But in studying Scripture, you also find that the Bible is extremely clear on this issue. God never calls a woman to violate Scripture.

    We are not slaves to a first century culture. We are obedient to God's word. If you read Paul's teaching carefully, you will find that Paul does not appeal to the first century to substantiate his teaching. He appeals to creation and sin. Those things predated first century customs by thousands of years. Those bases are the things that remove Paul's teaching from the first century and make it applicable to all time. No matter what century you live in, man was still created first and woman was still deceived. You see, the Bible does not give first century reasons. It gives creation reasons. For that reason, woman is not to have authority in teaching, whether in the first century or not.

    Women have a high role of service in the body. They are equal in spiritual status to men. But they have a different role created by God. They are misusing their gifts to apply them unbibically.

    But as you suggested, I looked through Luke 10 and saw absolutely nothing of relevance to this discussion. I didn't think I had missed anything previously but I wanted to make sure. The only women Jesus addresses in Luke 10 is Mary and Martha, and he tells Martha that she would be better off sitting down and learning ... Maybe that is more relevant that you wish it to be ... On second thought, we probably shouldn't twist Scripture, so we will stop by saying Luke 10 has nothing of relevance.
     
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    Then you have an unbiblical church. God gave positions of authority to the office of elder in the church. If no one has authority, then the church is out of order.
     
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    David, do you enjoy yourself calling Paul sexist? Or that we should disregard the absolutely clear teaching of the Word and replace it with a women's lib platform? Or that you liken us to slaveholders? Or genocide?

    Your entire post was offensive and inflammatory. If you can't come to grips with the Word, that's your problem. Just don't come in here throwing stones at those who do.
     
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    Unfortunately, this is prevalent in many churches today, even "so called" baptist churches. The trend is to call anything that does not meet your fancy as "1st Century culture." This is just another example of many modern-day, useless, organizations that go by the name of "church."
     
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    I wouldn't even drive through a town that has a church like that in it. Gas is expensive, but I would still take a detour around that town.
     
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    Larry,

    You and I have had some sharp disagreements, but in this thread your posts were as Biblical as posts can be. I especially enjoyed the following paragraph (maybe because it reads as if I wrote it myself).

    Great job. Thank you!
     
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    DavidFWhite's church is an Alliance Baptist.
     
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    Davidwhite3,
    Are you a United Methodist?Just asking because of the tenor of your post.
     
  18. dianetavegia

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    Here's a quote from DavidFWhite's churches home page:

    Our church is somewhat different from most local churches in that it embodies a great deal of diversity number of ethnic an culture groups are represents in our fellowship. We have one African American/Caucasian married couple; numerous gay and lesbian couples and singles; and we ordained a gay woman to the ministry and made her our associate pastor.

    I got that by doing a search by his church name. It was the first link that came up.

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    And that is a BAPTIST church? THAT is one I would drive miles to avoid. Sad to besmirch the name - sure wish the radical left would get another name and not sully the word Baptist.
     
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    Amen, Dr. Bob. Amen.
     

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