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  1. massdak

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    i actually felt sorry for Saddam, he looked like a pitiful homeless man, his eyes were sad. i know he is a brutal tyrant, and it is hard for people to show compassion for such a brutal dictator. but should he not hear the gospel?
    i do believe he should stand trial and be executed for his crimes.
     
  2. Johnv

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    I fail to see what a need to hear the Gospel has to do with the video of him being captured. If he was sad, he was sad that he got caught. He ceratinly wasn't sad about how he had been treating the Iraqi people.
     
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    I fail to see what a need to hear the Gospel has to do with the video of him being captured. If he was sad, he was sad that he got caught. He ceratinly wasn't sad about how he had been treating the Iraqi people. </font>[/QUOTE]hmmmm
    so you dont believe it is possible that God could bring him to repentance?
    have you read saddams heart?
    you are probably right, but he should hear the gospel.
     
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    Of course I do. The video of his capture doesn't affect my view on that one way or the other.

    I have only seen the fruits of his labor.
    My opinion of one's need to hear the gospel was, not swayed by his capture.
     
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    Johnv - do you think that those that armed Saddam bear any responsibility for his crimes?
     
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    Generally, when the local 7-11 merchant is killed, I blame the person who came in and pulled the trigger. While I'd love to blame the gun store that sold him the piece, or the bullet manufacturer, or the government for possibly faulty gun control laws or enforcement, the primarily fault lies with the hand of the perpetrator.
     
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    massdak said:

    Whatever happens to him, I'm sure he'll be treated with more compassion and justice than he ever showed when he was in power.
     
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    I think Saddam's currently pitiful face should generate no greater compassion for his soul than his previously pompous face. Yes, he desperately needs the grace of God--but He is still unrepentant and self-justifying. Perhaps the difference now is that he is somewhat more out of touch with reality than he was while in power. Maybe ultimately he'll follow Nebuchadnezzar's path.

    In any case, God will have mercy on whom He'll have mercy--and whom He will--He hardens.

    In Christ,

    Tim
     
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    well said, i agree
     
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    I have a hard time with this view. The person responsible is the person doing something illegal. Neither the merchant, gunmaker, bulletmaker or gun laws did anything illegal. The person who pulled the trigger. Saddam Hussein is 100% responsible for his actions.

    He is indeed a pitiful man, but not because he looks bad. It is his heart and his actions that make him pitiful
     
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    On the news, they showed the inside of the farmhouse (dump) where he had supposedly been living. Filthy, dirty. Rotten fruit, broken eggs on the floor, roach spray, Mars bars....

    and a picture of Noah and the ark on the wall. I thought that was curious. Perhaps he has heard the gospel. Or perhaps he will. That has nothing to do with justice in this life. But I agree with massdak - he is pitiful.
     
  12. Walls

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    Oh surely you don't mean that! Hey if we should love the sodomites shouldn't we love the Saddam-ite himself? Any one is capable of repentance and salvation. Don't you think we should Saddam to the Lord?
     
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    Folks,

    I agree that he needs to hear the Gospel. I also agree that he needs to be brought to Justice. If he is executed, I believe this is justice and will certainly be a lot more humane than what he offered the people whom he tortured and murdered throughout his reigh of terror. If before he is executed, he is presented the Gospel, I see this as mercy and a second chance for him to repent and go into eternity with God who loves him despite his unlovable (by human standards) state, this is extreme mercy. In fact, it is a lot more mercy than what he ever afforded his victims. What ever happens, it should be done not in a manner of joy, for there is no joy in what Saddam has caused on himself, his country, and the world. It should be done in humility and in obedience to God. This is a good way, as I see it, to fullfill Micah 6:8.

    I don't think that John is saying that Saddam should not be presented the Gospel. I think he is saying that his pitiful state as it is right now should not be the reason. IOW, he probably felt as if he should be given the opportunity to repent before he was caught and we somehow felt sorry for him because he looks pitiful. And I agree with him.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
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    Those behind Saddam RECENTLY (supplying nuke technology, armaments) should be held with their feet to the fire. Of course, in decades past, the US has helped just about everybody - good, bad or ugly - including Saddam.

    And helpless? Homeless? Heard he had about $750,000 on him. Sounds like most homeless people in Casper. [​IMG]
     
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    It is my understanding that Islaam also believes in Noah and the flood, so that does not mean anything.
     
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    Sorry Joseph, I was teasing John for his stand on homosexual fellowships.

    But with all seriousness, how is Saddam any different then Paul? What if Saddam was to get saved, wouldn't that be something? Talk about someone doing a turnaround!
     
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    I am sure Saddam has been presented, at some time in his life, with the gospel. If he gets saved, PTL! He will go to Heaven.

    I would like to help him get WHEREVER he is going a little quicker!

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    If he is presented the Gospel and truly repents, then he will come clean with every bit of knowledge he has concerning Al Qaeda and his involvement.

    If he doesn't repent, then the information should be extracted from him by whatever means necessary. The other side is playing to win. We need to start thinking the same way or we will lose and lose big.
     
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    Shouldn't we as a Christian nations turn the other cheek?
     

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