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Can you help this preacher find his kidnapped children?

Discussion in 'Free-For-All Archives' started by dianetavegia, Dec 17, 2004.

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  1. dianetavegia

    dianetavegia Guest

    Dear Family & Friends in about 65 nations,

    Today holds the infamous date where Christy and Abby Steyne were abducted five years ago. Over these past five years we have held close to the promise that Abby and Christy will be restored to us. Although time continues to move by, we still believe that one day that hope will be a reality.

    Our days still hold the ever fresh memory of those two precious children who are now 11 and 13 years old. Leads have completely dropped off and now we simply wait for a breakthrough. Relatives, friends, and family of Joyce and Kirk (the abductors) continue to hide their knowledge of where Christy and Abby are. Our hope is that one of them will soon realize the pain that Christy and Abby bear in their heart... torn from their family.

    I hold to the hope of Joseph who was sold into slavery, carried into a land not his own, and yet thrived and became a leader that would one day provide wisdom and leadership to many. Christy and Abby have been carried off, and our hope is that through the pain they have endured they will mature as a Joseph and one day be restored to their family.

    Please continue to pray for them... and us too as we wait for the completion to this story.

    A book will be released early next year that carries some of our story. If you are interested in acquiring a copy, please send me an email at [email protected] and I will keep you updated as to publishing.
    [​IMG]

    Please feel free to contact me at:

    Danny Steyne
    P.O. Box 212204
    Columbia SC 29221

    Our various websites are:

    THE CHRISTY AND ABBY STEYNE WEBSITE
    http://www.fathersheartministries.com/christyabby.html

    MY KIDS ARE MISSING WEBSITE
    http://www.mykidsaremissing.com
     
    #1 dianetavegia, Dec 17, 2004
  2. JGrubbs

    JGrubbs New Member

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    This is heartbreaking!!
     
    #2 JGrubbs, Dec 17, 2004
  3. Gina B

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    I wonder what the mom's side of the story is. I can't imagine being a mom and having to go to the police station for scheduled visits with my children. I would probably take them and flee the country myself, and I definitely wouldn't consider myself a kidnapper for taking my own children back into my care.
    Then again, were it the girls dad who took the children I'd be tripping over myself to get it listed as an abduction and him as a kidnapper.
    Sad all around...but to be honest I'd never turn them in unless I knew both sides of the story.
    Gina
     
    #3 Gina B, Dec 17, 2004
  4. dianetavegia

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    Well Gina, the mother is mentally ill and the state gave the father custody. She and her brother kidnapped 3 of them but then left the boy at a gas station, alone.

    Just because it's the mother, doesn't mean she is what's best for her kids. We're to follow/ obey the law of our land and the law chose the father to raise these girls.

    Unfortunately, there are a lot of people in this country just like you. The girls were last seen in Oregon, living in squalor. The police showed up days after they moved again but the mother left behind pictures of the girls. I would turn them in in a second and let the courts decide.
     
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  5. Gina B

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    Take the "un" off and you have my thoughts on me. [​IMG]
    Gina
     
    #5 Gina B, Dec 17, 2004
  6. Ben W

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    A good request for the Prayer Forum, we all can pray for them to be found.
     
    #6 Ben W, Dec 18, 2004
  7. Joseph_Botwinick

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    Have to agree with Diane's assessment here. Gina probably questions whether the mother is mentally ill and believes it is a conspiracy of DHS against the mother. Nevermind the best interest of the child as long as the rights of the mentally ill mother is protected. Your anger and prejudice against men shines through very well in your original post.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
    #7 Joseph_Botwinick, Dec 18, 2004
  8. Gina B

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    What's DHS have to do with this Joseph?
    I don't know the whole story. I question any situation where one parent is accused of being a kidnapper.
    The best interest of the child is usually to be with the parents, and in the case of separation, a female child is going to need her mother more than her father normally, and boys will need their fathers. I don't know the mom's side in this story so I can't judge anything about the best interests of the children! There's always two sides to a story. Divorce causes anger and bitterness, and often one person's word against their divorced spouse isn't exactly a glaringly truthful representation of the situation.
    How did ANYTHING in my first post show anger and prejudice toward men? I didn't say anything against them! I said that if I lost my kids I'd probably do the same thing as the mom, and that if I were the dad I'd also do the same thing he's doing.
    I think both you and Diane are being unfair and mean to me and should apologize for your harsh statements. I don't believe I have EVER told either of you that I wish there were less people like you or accused either of you of prejudice against a whole set of people. Desiring both sides of a story before having an opinion is a pretty normal thing.
    Gina
     
    #8 Gina B, Dec 18, 2004
  9. dianetavegia

    dianetavegia Guest

    This kidnapper and her brother are on the FBI's Most Wanted list. America's Most Wanted has featured this kidnapping. The IRS posted pictures of the children and their kidnappers on their 9000EZ Form. Media coverage has included National talk shows such as Oprah, National Newspapers, Racing Cars, Charisma Magazine, and many newspapers and websites. Are all these organizations wrong?

    I've been following this since it first happened and get regular updates, have watched the interviews on t.v. and have even gotten personal notes from this pastor.

    If you'd carefully read all the web pages, you'll see just how seriously ill this mother is. The girls do not need to be exposed to or raised by someone who is not receiving the mental health help she seriously needs. It's unfortunate that so many people assume the mother is always the 'best answer' and refuses to get involved. People in Oregon waited too late to contact authorities because they didn't know both sides of the story. IN FACT, someone tipped off the kidnappers so they were able to run away before the authorities arrived! If they hadn't, the courts and doctor's could have already cleared this up. The fact is, this woman kidnapped these 3, set one free in an unsafe area and faces jail time.

    You admit you would not contact authorities if you knew where these children are because you don't know both sides of the story. That is very upsetting to me.

    Gina said:
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    but to be honest I'd never turn them in unless I knew both sides of the story.
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    Diane replied: Unfortunately, there are a lot of people in this country just like you.

    Just being honest in MY opinion.

    Diane
     
    #9 dianetavegia, Dec 18, 2004
  10. Gina B

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    Yes, I admit and still admit that I would not contact authorities without knowing both sides of the story. Right now I do not. I don't watch Oprah, don't read those magazines, and haven't heard a thing about it apart from what you posted and a brief review of the site, which seems obviously put up by the father and doesn't contain much information about the mother or brother, or WHO has declared her mentally ill apart from himself, and it strikes me as very odd that a truly mentally ill person would be granted visitation alone with the kids by the courts. Also, it appeared that a church helped this woman, that tells me there were a number of Christians who agreed with her for some unknown reason, and that reason wasn't given.

    Once again, knowing both sides of the story in ANY situation is a must before passing judgment.
    I'm glad you're being honest, although it's somewhat disappointing to know that another Christian would honestly feel that way about me. Oh well, not the first and won't be the last.
    Gina
     
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  11. Joseph_Botwinick

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    You have a pattern of going on a crusade against DHS / CPS.

    I don't know the whole story. I question any situation where one parent is accused of being a kidnapper.
    The best interest of the child is usually to be with the parents, and in the case of separation, a female child is going to need her mother more than her father normally, and boys will need their fathers.    [/QUOTE]

    This is not always true, however. For example, if the mother is a crazy mental basketcase, then perhaps the kids would be better off with the father.

    How did ANYTHING in my first post show anger and prejudice toward men? I didn't say anything against them! I said that if I lost my kids I'd probably do the same thing as the mom, and that if I were the dad I'd also do the same thing he's doing.[/QUOTE]

    Gina said:

    I think both you and Diane are being unfair and mean to me and should apologize for your harsh statements. I don't believe I have EVER told either of you that I wish there were less people like you or accused either of you of prejudice against a whole set of people. Desiring both sides of a story before having an opinion is a pretty normal thing.
    Gina     [/QUOTE]

    I disagree with you. I think we have merely pointed out your obvious bias against men in this case.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
    #11 Joseph_Botwinick, Dec 18, 2004
  12. dianetavegia

    dianetavegia Guest

    About the mother:

    She can come across very much together and look like a great person and mother... please don't be fooled. (Most who know her have never seen the following hidden behavior in her- but she has admitted to it in court documents, psychological interviews, and when she has been hospitalized for psychological breaks with reality--- this psychological behavior has resulted in two of her children receiving numerous bruises on the face and body as well as other attempts to hurt her children).

    She can be very deceptive and manipulative.

    She will cry and become very hysterical - sometimes collapsing on the floor in tears to try to overwhelm those who do not believe her.

    She can fly into a violent rage in seconds.

    She can become very destructive of things as well as hitting individuals around her in a violent storm of anger… she has also aimed this violence against herself on occasion.

    She has abused her two eldest children, and on at least one occasion allegedly dropped Christy on the ground and kicked her when she was two.

    She allegedly has admitted in documents severely abusing her children .

    She allegedly has admitted that she has been personally abused herself as a child.

    Her psychological makeup is allegedly very disturbed.

    Court documents reveal she allegedly has Borderline Personality traits.

    There are existing court documents that reveal the children are not safe with her.

    She abandoned her four children when they were 1, 3, 11, & 14 after she allegedly drove them at a 100 MPH in a rage to a church where she publicly became violent with several individuals

    About the Uncle:

    He has been convicted of a federal firearms violation.

    He has been arrested for assault.

    There's MUCH more on the website.
     
    #12 dianetavegia, Dec 18, 2004
  13. Dale

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    Gina, I respect your position and I agree with you. In fact, if most mainline media programs like those mentioned, I wouldn't belive them.

    There are ALWAYS two sides to every story...please don't let these others intimadate you. Also, for those of you that accused Gina of prejudice against men, grow up, there was nothing in that post that hinted of that.
     
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  14. Joseph_Botwinick

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    Dale,

    You are wrong on all counts, which isn't surprising really considering your dismal performance trying to argue against the power of freedom to overcome tyranny. Perhaps, you would like to go back to that thread and actually respond to my last post to you there... :D

    Joseph Botwinick
     
    #14 Joseph_Botwinick, Dec 18, 2004
  15. dianetavegia

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    So, Dale, you'd take the word of a convicted felon and a woman who has mental problems and has admitted she abused her children (abuse reported by the two who are now young adults) over a PREACHER DADDY?
     
    #15 dianetavegia, Dec 18, 2004
  16. Gina B

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    Thank you Dale!
    As for you other two, I'm in much too good of a mood at the moment to respond so I won't. :D
    Gina
     
    #16 Gina B, Dec 18, 2004
  17. Joseph_Botwinick

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    I don't blame you, Gina. I wouldn't respond either and try to defend the indefensible either. It is truly one of the best decisions I have ever seen you make.

    [​IMG]

    Joseph Botwinick
     
    #17 Joseph_Botwinick, Dec 18, 2004
  18. Gina B

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    Thank you Joseph!
    I also made the decision a couple months ago to love you as a brother in Christ despite our disagreements. Pretty good decision there to I think. [​IMG]
    And despite that you're a guy! (kidding , kidding...have no fear, I don't hate men...)
    Gina
     
    #18 Gina B, Dec 18, 2004
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