This guy whom is a director of a para church ministry often challenges me on FB whenever I post some discernment on the Charismatic Movement and or the sign gifts. However his last post I am unable to refute him as perhaps he may have read more books, gained more seminary education, and or has a more academic mind than me. How should I respond to him? NOTE- THIS IS NOT A CAL/ARMN DEBATE. If this guy is Charismatic or Emergent I do not know, but he seems to defend both movements and his praises of Dan Kimball are very questionable. Kimball is emergent no question. Charismatic Apologist- The biggest threat to Biblical Christianity is Christians who don't know that Jesus broke the religious theologies of his day to prove the theology of love! No matter what "movement" is happening or what theological spectrum one believes and/or despises...if they don't know love, they are nothing - to paraphrase Paul. Evangelist-You are preaching emergent theology xxx just not aware of it. They will ignore doctrine and say that "love" is the most important. But I challenge their interpretation of love. Love is knowing the bible and speaking the truth. Charismatic Apologist-Very well aware of the emergent church John. I attended church with Kimball when he pioneered the movement. Like you John, I hold degrees in theology. However, maybe unlike you, I have studied the theological viewpoint of nearly every theologian and movement from the time of Jesus to today. Also studied a vast majority of Rabbinical literature from the time of the 70 elders to today. I have studied in the very land the bible was written from, under and alongside some of the greatest theologians of our day. I could not be grouped into any movement or any line of theology which you know. I can read and write in the languages the bible was written, including Aramaic. What I have concluded for myself is that: Theology was made for man, man was not made for theology; like Jesus says when he defied the theology of his day. Exactly what Paul says is what I believe after all my studies. Any movement, theology, ideology, or personal worldview which does not root in love is nothing. Jesus promoted and fulfilled two laws as the greatest...love your neighbor, love God. The religious leaders of his day were bound to theology which prevented them from loving others, especially the shameful. Jesus condemned them for their theology because there was no love, and then he acted against their theology. Anytime our theology (which is often derived from broken, fallible and biblically illiterate men) causes us to cease loving unconditionally, then we made our theology our master, our god in stead of God who is love. You my friend appear to be bound by the theologies of certain men who urge you to war against movements of differing theology. Those men interpret the bible based off the views they learned from one of three men...in the case if MacArthur - two men (Luther and Calvin). I am not attacking any theologian, only saying they derived their views predominantly from Luther, Calvin or Wesley and hold fast those theological perspectives which are from biblically illiterate men. As for their theology which urges you to war against differing theology...let me ask you this. When God created the world, was the point to create man or to creat laws (theology) to govern man? People are the point of God's creation and love is the meaning/root/reason. Nothing should ever separate us or cause us to want to war against each other...not a difference of opinion, a movement or a theology. I think Jesus said that loud and clear. Evangelist-Theology was not made for man, theology is the study of God. Man centered theology has man at the center, but God centered theology has God at the center. Sadly much man centered theology is all over the church. Waring against others is only necessary when the essentials are at stake. Notice I am not advocating waring against people whom are Postmillennialist, or hold a different eschatology than me. Nor am I waring against Arminian such as Norman Geisler. Geisler is well educated and understands the Bible, but not Reformed. However the Charismatic movement and what I have mentioned above are entirely different. Charismatic Apologist-Theology depends on your personally view of God. The Hebrews viewed and study God through the Laws (Torah), Prophets and the testimony of ancestors. In that sense, the law was made for them and they were not made for the law (their theology). For us, as westernized Christians, our theology is vastly based on the interpretation of how other men study God and not so much the word of God. For instance, you believe in a Reformed theology...correct me if I am wrong. That theology stems heavily from Martin Luther and John Calvin. Luther, though he had great points and we owe a get deal to him for protesting against oppressive theology, he was VERY off in his personal views of the bible...something most theologians forget and don't pass on to their pupils. You my friend would war against Luther today if you knew his views. He was not biblically literate, he was only literate about a few books of the bible. But God still used him to separate and bring about a reformation. You would argue another man's view of God because you align yourself with that view and believe HIS argument. That's man centered theology as you claimed. So the theology the west believes in is mostly "hear-say" which I think is what your referencing to the church today and I would agree. Now if theology is simply the study of God,and not arguing some mans view of God through his studying, then let me ask a sincere question: How does studying God lead one to "war" against other people for holding and acting in "non-oppressive" views. What type of God have you studied that calls you to wage a war on people who don't oppress but also don't hold a "Reformed" theology, or a theology inconsistent with yours? Let me ask this: Through all your studies of God, what will he say to you on the day of Judgement? Will he say, well done John, you have waged war on people because they didn't quite understand me the way you did? Or Will god say, well done because you have loved and forgiven even those who did not understand me? I think Jesus died in love to forgive those who didn't know him or his father. I don't think he died in passion to war against opposing view points. John, sincerely, I believe you and I hold very similar theological viewpoints. I only believe we act on those views in very different ways. Maybe it's because I study a God who doesn't force people to believe one view or another but gives them a choice in belief and continues to love them equally no matter what they believe or don't believe (I.e. Woman at the well, woman caught in adultery, all those he died in the cross for, etc). Maybe you see a God who forces people to believe one way and his love is conditional, based on what they believe. That would be consistent with Reformed theology which is birthed from a Roman Catholic theology that taught ALL had to believe and pay money to the papacy/church or die. Hence 52 million people died under Pope Innocent III's reign which happened right around the time Luther came into play(1200-1500). Reformed theology has great points as do all theological view points. But it also is flawed as is all other theological viewpoints.