Canada's government is thrown out

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  1. Bro. Curtis

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    Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin's government has been ousted in a no-confidence vote.
    Canada's three opposition parties united against his Liberal Party, which has been mired in a corruption scandal.

    Mr Martin will seek the dissolution of parliament on Tuesday, and a date for a general election - thought likely to be 16 or 23 January.

    Recent polls suggest Mr Martin's Liberals will take most votes in the election - but will not win a majority.

    In parliament on Monday evening the opposition voted by 171-133 to bring down Mr Martin's government.

    Mr Martin said he would visit Governor General Michaelle Jean on Tuesday to ask her to dissolve parliament, after which the election date would be announced....

    ...Mr Martin is not implicated in the scandal, but the opposition says he has lost all moral authority....
     
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    This happened once in Australia in the 1970's, the Governor dissolved the Labor party led governent and the Liberal (right wing) party were elected. Being the representative of the Queen, the Governor can dissolve a government if specific criteria are met.
     
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    I was in Canada when they passed a legislation in the Canadian Parliament making homosexual marriages legal. I believe, Canada is one of the very few countries in the world that has done that.

    No wonder that Government has fallen!
     
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    The socialized medical care was declared unconstitutional, and now this. It's hard to create a utopia.
     
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    "The socialized medical care was declared unconstitutional, and now this. It's hard to create a utopia."--------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Amen, bro. Curis! The only reason they can afford to have their libral socialist utopia, is because they don't have any real military spending because they know we will protect them form an threat. If they had to maintain a real military, they could not afford to experiment with the social utopias.
     
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    Since our last election, the Liberals have held a minority government which is obviously prone to non-confidence votes if they cannot maintain the vote of at least one other party.

    For the last few years, the NDP has been co-operating with the Liberals to form a minority government but the Liberals were unable to maintain that relationship or the NDP decided it was against their interest to continue the relationship, depending on your perspective.

    The primary issue officially stated by the NDP behind this change is the findings of the Gomery report about a Liberal sponsorship scandal from a previous Liberal government.

    Most of the voters don't really want another election and projections are that the result will be pretty similar to what we have now, a Paul Martin led Liberal minority government prone to future non-confidence votes.
     
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    Just a note: Liberal Party in Canada is just a name and does not resemble wot American's, especially fundamentalist Americans, call liberal.

    Typical of Americans, you can't even get the court system straight. The unconstitutionality of socialized medicare was in Quebec, not Canada. There is a significant difference between national and provincial legal systems, and medicare is a federal issue, not provincial.

    Gold Dragon is prolly correct, we will end up with another minority government. The question is whether it will be Conservative or Liberal with the Bloc Party holding the balance of power.

    Cheers,

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    "Typical of Americans..."

    Thanx, Jim.
     
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    "does not resemble wot American's, especially fundamentalist Americans, call liberal."

    Who OK'd the gay marriage ? Were they conservative ?

    Then, kindly take a few minuites and tell us the differences in Quebec's medical coverage, and the rest of the provinces. I can't seem to find it, online.
     
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    Jim,

    When did Quebec stop being Canadian? (I know they tried for years but....)
     
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    1. There was a combination of votes that allowed the gay unions under equal rights. This included some conservatives (the Party). Incidentally, there are fundamentalist Christians who have voted liberal all their lives; the party often follows family traditions.

    2. Each province has its own judicial systems and supreme courts. They each also have their own areas of responsibilities. For Example, whilst medicare is universal in Canada, Alberta has different areas of responsibility than does Ontario, and Quebec has a completely different set of rules. One example is on income taxes collected. All other provinces send the entire moneies collected and wait for the federal government to return their share. Quebec keeps everything and only sends Ottawa wot is due under federal regulations.

    Yes, Quebec is still doing battle for independence, and prolly always will.

    Cheers,

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    I'm pretty fundamantal, and I voted democratic my whole life, until 2004.

    So am I to understand the rest of Canada still uses the same medicare system that Quebec threw out ?

    Also, is there anyplace where I could paruse the different responsibilities of each province ?
     
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    Jim,

    How do you feel about the medical system in general? My Aunt and Uncle in BC loved it when their children were little and most medical treatment was preventive, but when my Aunt had to have tests for breast cancer done she hated it. Months of waiting, and thousands of miles of travel just to have the tests done.
     
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    Texas,

    The medical sytem is not perfect, but it sure beats the alternative. I have had several strokes and received instant care in each case. I had an immediate cat scan followed by an mri 3 months later. Note: an mri is not essential unles the doctors are having difficulty with the diagnosis. In my case, the mri pinpointed the source of my strokes. Resultant treatments did not change one iota.

    I cannot address some incidents or why the time span. My daughter is a doctor in Florida, and I can assure you that she has enough experience with the American system, in both Florida and Wisconsin, to still appreciate the Canadian system.

    The fight in Canada is over private clinics having the right to function using public funds and subsidized by wot the private clinics want to charge. This is the argument in Quebec, and it is not to overthrow the national system.

    Aside from a complete study of history, one might search the net for something under medicare in Canada, first proposed in Saskatchewan under the CCF Party (Tommy Douglas, a Baptist minister). It was later adopted federally.

    I was in England before social medicine there, and many people were forced to beg doctors to treat them and we often made use of the gypsies and their concoctions; they were the best horse doctors in the country.

    The systems in both the UK and in Canada have been abused, and this is part of the waiting problem. Mothers take their children to emergency with the sniffles, where we treated kiddies at home in my day.

    We have cheaper drugs in Canada because our medicare system decided which drugs would be covered and negotiated with the drug companies. This is being eroded now with Americans coming up to buy cheaper drugs and some doctors are playing a role in this by providing "instant" examinations and writing prescriptions.

    Overall, the system works, but no question there are some flaws,,,usually people administrative problems, in my opinion. IN some areas of specialization, there may be some delays. My wife had a mammogram done within two weeks of our doctor making the appointment. If you know about mammograms, they are not an urgent test as a screening test.

    Again, in some areas of Canada, there are great distances to travel between centres. That is part of the problem of our country,,the great white north, a vast expanse of nothing but space. It is difficult to get doctors to take up practice in many rural areas. This is not the problem of socialized medicare, but a personal problem. Look where the medicine-for-profit clinics are; the big cities where the money is.

    Enough said, and cheers,

    Jim
     
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    "Just a note: Liberal Party in Canada is just a name and does not resemble wot American's, especially fundamentalist Americans, call liberal."------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    From my perspective, the whole country is liberal.
     
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    "Overall, the system works,"---------------------------------------------------------------------

    But at a cost of at least a 50 plus percent income tax rate.
     
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    false. if the income tax rate was 50 per cent plus just for medicare, I could not survive..........period!

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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    Bunyon, that's strange because from our perspective the US is pretty right-wing, both Republicans and Democrats. :D
     
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    On Monday, the Conservative Party teamed up with the New Democratic and Bloc Quebecois parties to bring down the government, claiming Martin's ruling Liberal Party had lost its moral authority. Recent polls have given the Liberals a slight lead over the Conservatives, with the New Democrats in third place.

    http://www.coxandforkum.com/
     
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    Matt, if you think our democrat party is right wing, then you have no idea.

    Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Barbara Boxer, Nancy Pelosi, Howard Dean, I challenge you to find ANYTHING right wing about any of those.
     

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