Cannot continue in sin !

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    Rom 6:1-4

    What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
    2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

    3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

    4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

    You know what this means ? It means that those Christ died for cannot continue in the sin of unbelief ! To continue in unbelief is the same as to continue in sin, which quite frankly is an impossibility for any Christ died and rose again in behalf of, and heres why:

    You see, in the Judgment of God, all for whom He died and rose, died and rose together with Him, because He died in their stead and behalf, and consequently when He arose, they arose along with Him from the dead ; And correspondingly as He was raised from the dead [after dying because of their sins as their Legal Surety] by the Glory of the Father, even so they shall be also, in order to walk in the Newness of Life [by the Glory of the Father], which life is Spiritual and overcomes spiritual death ! This Newness of Life is that renewing of the Holy Ghost written of here Titus 3:5

    5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

    And also what Peter says is being begotten again here 1 Pet 1:3

    3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

    That word begotten again is the greek word anagennaō:

    1. to produce again, be born again, born anew
    2. metaph. to have one's mind changed so that he lives a new life and one conformed to the will of God
    To be Born anew or again, from above , This is what Paul means in Rom 6:4

    4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

    The we is everyone Christ died and rose again in behalf of , and that's why they cannot continue in sin and unbelief.

    See unbelief is the wage of sin, the fruit of death Rom 6:23

    23For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

    Unbelief is the fruit of spiritual death !
     
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    Yes. Amen monsieur!
     
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    That would mean that there cannot be a single moment, no wait not a single nano-second that the elect (according to Calvinist definition) can have unbelief. Since we know this is never the case and it is true and a given that the all the elect spend some amount of time in unbelief the op is proven false.
     
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    Please review the points made in the post with me and explain them back so I can see if you understand them though you may disagree!
     
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    No, you can continue to use this tactic to avoid dealing with the truth I have presented if you wish but it only reflects on you.
     
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    Cannot continue in sin ! 2

    You see, only the Spiritually dead man cannot believe and so remains in sin/unbelief, or as a servant of sin. To be in unbelief is to be a servant of sin, thats why Paul wrote this Rom 6:17

    17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed/believed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

    Obeyed here is the equivalent of believing from the heart that form of doctrine which is the Gospel !

    So to be in unbelief of the Gospel is being a servant of sin ! Now what Paul is saying in Rom 6:4, that the believers newness of life is a corresponding reflection to Christ's resurrection from the dead on their behalf, also remember that His resurrection from the dead verified their Justification Rom 4:25, and in that as He died to sin once, when He arose, He Liveth unto God Rom 6:10

    10 For in that he died[for the sins of His sheep], he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

    And this newness of life they receive from Christ, and begin to live by Faith [Faith is the evidence of new life out of unbelief and death] since its not even possible to Live unto God without Faith !
     
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    Ok, then suite yourself, you evade discussing the points I made, its on you !
     
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    So no Elect person has ever experienced unbelief after their salvation/regeneration/rebirth? Have you never experienced doubt in your own life, SBM?

    We "cannot" continue in sin, or we "should not" continue in sin? If you say cannot continue in sin, then you are creating a scenario in which no one is saved or Elect, seeing as all have sinned and come short of the glory of God, and so long as we exist in these mortal bodies, we are subject to the sin nature we have. John addressed this by saying that if we sin, we at least have an advocate with the Father. John didn't tell his audience that they weren't ever going to sin anymore, but he advised them of the help that was in place should they fall victim to sin.

    Saying "unbelief is the wage of sin" is incorrect. The scripture is clear. The wages of sin is death. Unbelief is a sin. In fact, it is the sin listed in scripture for which their is no pardon or forgiveness. By saying "unbelief is the wage of sin," you're actually saying "[a sin] is the wage of sin." This is, as I said, incorrect.
     
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    Which was my point but he was unwilling to respond or defend his position.
     
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    That was odd. I only saw SBM's OP and SG's response. Once you replied to me I now see several other posts. Interesting...

    Anyways, apologies for restating your comment, even if it was inadvertent.
     
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    I wasn't concerned about that at all. I was just pointing out our agreement.
     
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    This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin. If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.[1 Jn 1:5-10]

    If a Christian continues in sin, he is in darkness, and not in the Light. That is why when we sin, we repent of it. I do not think he was saying we do not sin, but that we can not continue in sin. Why would I state such?

    Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.[1 Jn 3:4-6]

    No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.[1 Jn 3:9,10]

    If someone is truly saved, when...not if...but when they sin, they will repent of it. We will not continue in sin.
     
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    And for the record, any time we sin, we commit an act of unbelief.


    But whoever has doubts is condemned if they eat, because their eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.[Rom. 14:23]

    When we sin, we are, in a sense, in unbelief, because sinning does not come from faith.
     
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    God consigned men into unbelief because of sin Rom 11:32 ! So yes unbelief is the consequence of sin,it accompanies spiritual death! If you would have done what I asked you would have seen that! Now explain back to me my points i made with scripture!
     
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    There are so many flawed points in the OP. I hope no one thinks that is a sound Calvinistic/Reformed position.
     
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    I've always looked at SBM as the BB's resident poster-child for Hyper-Calvinism. He goes above and beyond the normal Reformed position, which we've discussed at length, to a place that even most Calvinists cringe from.
     
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    No uh huh I know better. I could make the TULIP argument better than she can.
     
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    You're awful quick to quote a verse that says God concluded them ALL in unbelief, but you left off the part that reads "that He might have mercy upon ALL." For the record, I don't disagree that sin is the consequence of sin, but sin is not the wages of sin. The wages of sin is DEATH, pure and simple, clearly stated in scripture.

    No, and you can stop using this little ploy, as it does not strengthen your premise, but instead makes it appear as though you have no desire to defend your position.
     
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    Evasion and rabbit trail!
     
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    May I ask you what you find flawed, monsieur? I know savedbymercy and I have had disagreements, but I really can not find much, if anything, unscriptural with the OP.
     

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