Featured Capital Punishment -- Proof it should be eliminated

I would FAR prefer to be executed for a crime I did not commit than to spend any time close to 3 decades in prison.

 

Except they don't name even one person who has been absolutely proven to have been innocent and executed.

You need to improve your critical reading skills and wiki is always questionable. But even wiki doesn't assert anyone's innocence just that they might have been, simply because some of the evidence may have been questionable.

Not an epic fail on your part, simply a typical fail.

 

Where people are concerned, I keep it simple by attempting to follow God's two Greatest Commandments. Essentially love Him and love others.

I'm a fellow sinner.

 

Wisdom from U.S. Senator Mark Hatfield:

Memories of Senator Mark O. Hatfield

https://www.aclu.org/capital-punishment/oregon-may-vote-ending-death-penalty

 

So you rather dismiss Gods word for your liberal view? That's warped! Go read Romans about God appointed government and bearing the sword.

 

As much as I believe in capital punishment, I grow wary of it in light of the numbers of innocent people falsely convicted.
The system is not trustworthy and injustice too easily bought or coerced. Why should we let a corrupted system have the ultimate power - to take the lives of citizens? If we have to halt the death penalty until the issue can be corrected, it would merely be a side effect of already working outside of G-d's will, not a stepping out. Because corruption and injustice already places us on the outside.

 

So because he is happy that an innocent person avoided execution after being on death row for 30 years, that is a liberal position? Are you insane?

 

Didn't you hear? It's 1984! Don't question the government. God's word says we have to accept and obey everything from our government!

 

if I was a liberal I would be insane.

 

Is everybody insane? What does this have to do with anything I said?

 

I was responding to your response to Jedi Knight. He said:

"So you rather dismiss Gods word for your liberal view? That's warped! Go read Romans about God appointed government and bearing the sword."

My response was rather sarcastic, and it obviously flew over your head. Don't worry...I'm not poking fun at you. I'm poking fun at the fact that Jedi Knight thinks we should all be in lock step with our government and that we are dismissing God's word if we aren't.

 

Two problems with what you just answered: If you're not telling people what their sin is, then how do they know they're sinners? It's not love to let them continue in their sin. Jesus didn't say "I love you no matter what"; He said, "go, and sin no more."

Second, you and I are both fellow sinners; but we're forgiven. Unless you want to make the case that Christ has forgiven the unrepentent and those that refuse to believe on Him...in which case, you need to get ready for the next big argument about that subject.

No one takes -- or should be taking -- joy in the death penalty. But it's not just permissable; it's mandatory. God didn't just say it's okay to have a death penalty; He said the rulers are a sword for Him.

And since we've had this discussion several times in the past, I'll leave it at that.

 

Well said Don!

 

No, the problem arises if you think me loving them doesn't INCLUDE me telling them about Jesus and how to be saved. I assure you that with me, that will never be an issue. :laugh:

No disagreement from me. And I think you know that I would never do that.

Uggh. Why would I do THAT?

 

I didn't mean heck. Statement of shock and or surprise.

The system in your opinion should be systemS, okay. When I said system, I was referencing both parts as I don't see how you can get to one without the other. To follow your line of thinking, my main issue is with the penalty phase, specifically with the application of death as a penalty as acceptable, knowing full well that there are mistakes being made. I find that just unacceptable, even at a best 1.4%. You seem to think that mistakes with a persons life are acceptable. The question is at what percentage does it become not okay? Couldn't those of the pro-choice camp,say the same thing? Hey, we're only killing 1.4% of the babies, what's the problem? Seems ridiculous. Be it via abortion or lethal injection, killing innocents is wrong.

 

No, because (using the innocence argument, which I don't) 100% of those babies are innocent. It's not even a comparison. It's not like 98% of those babies are felons.

I disagree. Unfortunate, yes. Sad, yes. But I don't think it's wrong. For example, a gunman grabs a hostage, and threatens to kill everyone on a plane. If the only recourse is to kill the innocent to save the others, I'm going to take that shot. It's the same with capital punishment. It's a deterrent. That's verifiable. If it saves hundreds of lives that would be murdered, I'm going to "take that shot" to take down the murderers, even if it means a few innocents have to go down, too.

It's unfortunate. It's sad. But it's not wrong.

In my opinion.

 

I'm referencing those that you said were wrongly killed, innocents.