Cardinals?

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  1. swaimj

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    On the front page of today's Philadelphia Inquirer (the local big-city newspaper) was a full-color picture of the newly placed head priest (pardon my terminology as I am sure it is incorrect) of the Philadelphia archdiocese in his strinking red uniform being appointed a cardinal by Pope John Paul II. A cardinal? If there is a precedent in the Holy Bible for this I can't come up with it off the top of my head. Why the name of the office? What are his duties? What is the history of this office?
     
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    Rats. I thought this was about birds. Then I thought it was about sports, until I checked where it was posted.

    Interesting that the robe is red! I would imagine, however, that it is not red to represent the bird. :)
     
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    You would think that between Scott Rolen and J.D. Drew, Philly would have had it with the Cardinals.

    My only question is, if "Cardinal" is their title, why is it in the middle of their name and not at the beginning, as a title should be? Like John Cardinal Kroll (whom I still miss) and Anothy Cardinal Bevilaqua. Why not Cardinal John Kroll and Cardinal Anthony Bevilaqua? After all, you don't call priests Joe Fr McCauley.

    Just a little trivia note: When I was in jr high school, Cardinal Bevilaqua's brother was my guidance counselor.

    I'm told that his nephew is Bob Bevilaqua, who is the military analyst you see on FOX all the time but I don't know if that's true or not.
     
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    Abiyah, that was cute! It's good to see a good sense of humor. [​IMG]

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    Since this new topic is about Cardinals, is there any chance that Cardinal Jean-Marie Lustiger would be the one to replace the position of the Pope?

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    Actually I sortof assumed that was the reason they are dressed in red! [​IMG]
     
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    I suppose it's possible, but it's becoming increasingly unlikely as time goes by. He's now over 77 years old -- I would expect the next pope (whenever a "next pope" is needed -- not soon, I hope) to be in his 60's, or maybe early 70's.

    Cardinal Lustiger's name used to be on the various "papabile" lists that the media put together from time to time. You don't see it on those lists anymore.

    Mark

    P.S. -- On the color question, I'm not sure, but I wonder if the cardinal birds might have been named after the ecclesial cardinals? I believe the birds are a North American species, so they wouldn't have been "named" until probably the 1500's or so.
     
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    "is there any chance that Cardinal Jean-Marie Lustiger would be the one to replace the position of the Pope?"
    If your name is mentioned as the potential next pope, it is very unlikely you are going to be it.

    swaimj
    "was a full-color picture of the newly placed head priest (pardon my terminology as I am sure it is incorrect)"
    The word you are looking for is bishop.

    The word 'cardinal' comes from Latin for door-hinge, for the cardinals are supposed to be the 'hinges' of the church. The Latin form of the title is Cardinalis.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardinal

    Bishop is biblical, cardinal is not. Ofcourse the people who get worked up about such issues are usually members of churches without bishops.
     
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    "is there any chance that Cardinal Jean-Marie Lustiger would be the one to replace the position of the Pope?"
    If your name is mentioned as the potential next pope, it is very unlikely you are going to be it.

    swaimj
    "was a full-color picture of the newly placed head priest (pardon my terminology as I am sure it is incorrect)"
    The word you are looking for is bishop.

    The word 'cardinal' comes from Latin for door-hinge, for the cardinals are supposed to be the 'hinges' of the church. The Latin form of the title is Cardinalis.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardinal

    Bishop is biblical, cardinal is not. Ofcourse the people who get worked up about such issues are usually members of churches without bishops.
     
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    Mee,

    If you don't mind my asking, why are you curious about Cardinal Lustiger in particular?

    (I've seen a few Bible prophecy "experts" who've tried to fit him into their various end times scenarios because of his Jewish heritage.)

    Thanks,

    Mark

    P.S. -- I don't think Mioque was being sarcastic -- there's an old saying to the effect that the person everyone thinks will be named Pope usually ends up coming out of the conclave still a Cardinal.
     
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    From what I recall, the color cardinal was so named because RC cardinals traditionally wore that shade of red. Later, the bird we know as a cardinal was given that name because it shared the same color. This occurred in the 1700s, so the bird was named for the color, not the other way around.
     
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    MEE, I have to agree with Mark H. Mioque was simply stating a common belief that if your name is mentioned as a possible choice for Pope, you usually will not get that honor.

    In Christ,
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    Catholic Dad, thanks to you and Mark. [​IMG] I appreciate the explanations. I just didn't know how to take Mioque.

    MEE [​IMG]
     
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    Well, it shows to go ya' what I know! I thought
    perhaps their title of cardinal was based upon
    something completely different. Do you know the
    etymology of the word?

    When I lived in St. Louis, MO, while the team, the
    Cardinals, certainly wore appliques of the bird on
    their uniforms, I wondered if their name had a
    double meaning, because St. Louis is definitely
    a dominatingly Catholic town.
     
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    Cardinals [cardinalis] are clergy "incardinated" in the Diocese of Rome in order to assist the bishop of Rome in his ministry as the pastor of the universal Church.

    The new cardinals either will help the Pope in the Roman Curia, or as they carry out their ministry in archdioceses. Older cardinals dedicate themselves to study and defend Catholic doctrine, as well as to ecumenical dialogue.

    For more information:

    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03333b.htm
     
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    Thanks to all for all of the info on cardinals. Now I have a question about blue jays.... [​IMG]
     
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    For information on Blue Jays, click here:

    Blue Jays
     
  20. mioque

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    Allthough I am very proud of my status as a sarcastic [....removed inappropriate language], in this case I wasn't being mean. I was simply saying exactly what Mark and Catholic dad thought I was saying.

    [ October 23, 2003, 12:47 AM: Message edited by: BibleboyII ]
     

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