In another thread, Iconoclast made the following statement: "There are no carnal Christians." He was referring to professing believers who don't act like it. In my own church in years past, that's how we used to describe those who had made a public profession of faith, who had been baptized, were regular attendees for a while, and dropped out. Nobody wanted to challenge their salvation, so we called them carnal Christians, or, backsliders. And all of us recognize that we all are still sinners, even if some of us are nearly perfect. So the question for this thread. Is Iconoclast right or wrong? Are there backsliders? Or were they never saved in the first place?