Carter meets with SBC bloggers to discuss 2008 convocation

2 Tim 2

Then give me a definition of inerrancy. Give an example of a Biblical doctrine Wade Burleson holds that is liberal.

You have a bizarre definition of liberal. Why not deal with his statement and answer his question for me:

"What I can't understand is why Southern Baptists could not be accepted if they affirmed the 63 Baptist Faith and Message, or the First London Confession of Faith, or even their own confession if it is ORTHODOX regarding the essentials of the faith."

But you would sign it anyway?

Again, you have a strange definition of “liberal”. Why not finish and say he has a liberal view on the length of a man’s hair too.

You know as much about me as you do Wade Burleson. Neither I nor Wade find any Biblical Doctrines in error. Of course those of the Hyles camp would probably disagree.

Do you find any errors in the verses below?

2Ki 8:26 Ahaziah was twenty-two years old when he began to reign, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. And his mother's name was Athaliah, the daughter of Omri king of Israel.

2Ch 22:2 Ahaziah's age was forty-two years old when he began to reign, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. His mother's name was Athaliah the daughter of Omri.

Was he 42 or 22?


2Ch 9:25 And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen, whom he put in the chariot cities and with the king at Jerusalem.

1Ki 4:26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.


Did Solomon have 4000 stalls or 40,000 stalls?

Or will you also ignore the question?

 

Oasis

I just asked a simple question that you don’t seem to want to answer. I didn’t ask for a verse by verse battle over Wade.

I’ll post it again for you, perhaps one of the Wade bashers will answer it because it gets to the core of the question as to what is the definition of inerrancy:

2Ki 8:26 Ahaziah was twenty-two years old when he began to reign, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. And his mother's name was Athaliah, the daughter of Omri king of Israel.

2Ch 22:2 Ahaziah's age was forty-two years old when he began to reign, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. His mother's name was Athaliah the daughter of Omri.

Was he 42 or 22?


2Ch 9:25 And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen, whom he put in the chariot cities and with the king at Jerusalem.

1Ki 4:26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.


Did Solomon have 4000 stalls or 40,000 stalls?

What Doctrine?? Since you are so well versed on Wade’s theology you should be able to tell me on what Biblical Doctrine Wade Burleson is in error on. The “doctrine” of separation? Is that it?

You must not be in the SBC. I attend a church where a Paige Patterson disciple ministers and he, nor my own SBC pastor, will preach from Mark 16:9-20 because they question the inspiration of that text as do many. So what does that do to inerrancy?

We will disagree because you tell not the truth.

Let me guess, IFB?

 

If there are no doctrines in the Bible to be found to be iin error then the Bible is inerrant.

 

GB,

If Carter believes Jesus is the only way then why doesn't he just say so?

Jesus was very clear about Himself. He said:

"I'am the Way the Truth and the Life NO MAN cometh unto the Father but by Me."

What pap to say that He is a former president blah blah blah has to watch how he words things...blah blah blah.

No. A true born again child of God can answer without double-talk , with conviction that Jesus is the only way to heaven.

Jimmy Carter is more than likely an apostate. Bill Clinton more than likely needs to confess his sins before a holy God and get saved.

I myself choose to be as exclusive as the lord Himself. Jesus said He was the only way.

So GB is Jesus a liar?

If you've never been washed in the blood of the Lamb then the Bible says that person is going to Hell. So those who claim to be christians like Carter and Clinton need to speak CLEARLY if they command such sway with the public. The Savior of whom they PROFESS spoke clearly about Himself why can't they?

They cannot because IMHO they are "clouds without water" Jude 12

GB, I will agree with you though . The SBC is on the way out. God never promised that the SBC would prevail but His church will.
the wolves and tares of liberalism may defeat the SBC but they will never defeat the blood bought saved saints that make up the bride of Christ.

The only fault I see of those who fought to return the SBC to it's conservative roots is the fact that they didn't prune and purge as was needed. I say if it meant giving up half of whatever the convention owned then they should have done it just to cleanse the whole denomination completly of those of a liberal, theological disposition.
They did not however because there was to much money, power , buildings etc... involved. So in that regard some of the conservative resurgence rings hollow with me. This is why out of conviction I cannot pastor a SBC church. The "tent" is to big for me.

 

Is that the definition of inerrancy as understood by all?

I accept that definition, but what if Brother Fundie says the definition of inerrancy is absolutely no errors in our modern 1611 KJV Bible. (See my example that you didn't answer).

If you disagree with Bro. Fundie, then you are now the "liberal". If you don't believe the 1611 KJV is the only inspired version of the Bible then you hold a "liberal" view of inerrancy. If you have a meeting with someone who uses the NASB you are now cooperating with heretics. Yes, Bro. Fundie will say of you: " he is a moderate who embraces doctrinal liberalism".

You see how easy it is too call someone a "liberal", it is however more difficult to prove it from scripture. Go back and listen to good ole Jack: http://jackhyles.net/sermons.shtml

Why according to his ilk "liberals" were rampant in the SBC. I bet you would even be a liberal.

 

Well, only time will tell if your prophecy is true. But, I for one plan to stay a Southern Baptist until either the rapture (which I pray is REAL SOON) or until I die and go to heaven. There will probably always be issues that need to be dealt with in the SBC, but honestly, they don't really affect the local church very much.

There have always been nay-sayers, especially from those outside the SBC. There have always been the prophets of gloom and doom. I have long since stopped listening to them.

 

They may be wacked about the KJV only thing but they have no doubts about scripture. And they do not paint it as unclear in any way shape or form as does the EC or any liberal. Scripture is clear and doctrine is worth all the dogmatism in the world. The open unded conversation and ecumenicalism is straight from the pit of hell.

 

How would they answer this?

2Ki 8:26 Ahaziah was twenty-two years old when he began to reign, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. And his mother's name was Athaliah, the daughter of Omri king of Israel.

2Ch 22:2 Ahaziah's age was forty-two years old when he began to reign, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. His mother's name was Athaliah the daughter of Omri.

Was he 42 or 22?


2Ch 9:25 And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen, whom he put in the chariot cities and with the king at Jerusalem.

1Ki 4:26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.

Did Solomon have 4000 stalls or 40,000 stalls?

Seems it would be an easy question for those who "have no doubts about scripture" or "do not paint it as unclear in any way shape or form".

Will no one help this poor liberal heretic out??raying:

 

You're from Indiana and you're making fun of somebody's speech? Gimme a break.

 

Can you tell me which doctrine these copiest errors make unclear?

 

SBCPREACHER,

"Doesnt' affect the local church much"?

No. If your logic was correct then there would have been no need for a conservative resurgence in the SBC because all those liberal preachers that those liberal profs. indoctrinated with their lib. theology would never have produced all those "moderates" that wanted to forsake the Bible.

It is the apathetic, satisfied attitude of guys like yourself that will help usher in the next downslide in southern baptist life. What?Do you want to deny the elephant in the room and maybe it will just leave?

I guess it is hard to leave that ole SBC when you got that retirement plan all working for you.

Which is another problem with SB churches. Some of them have these complacent, willy-nilly preachers who are just killin time until they can start drawing that retirement check. Why they ain't gonna raise a ruckus bout nothing.

Yeah in one sense your right the local church isn't effected that much because they are ignorant of what is even going on because their pastor doesn't want to put forth the effort to take a stand.

Furthermore, the SBC is in trouble because you have these young preachers who want to thumb their noses at the convention and it's so called "back slapping" way of looking out for the powerbrokers of the SBC. Yet they will give just barely enough money to the CP to be considered SB. I guess they like some of the perks of convention life but want to distance themselves from the "rough side" of the SBC because they want to distance themselves from the "family".

Don't think I'm right? Somebody nominate Ed Young Jr. for SBC pres. I bet he is real interested. How bout ole Ricky Warren?
I know how bout that died in the wool lib. McManus who spoke at the convention last year.He is about a rock's throw from being a heretic. Maybe he will show interest?

On any given Sunday you can pop into a SBC church and you might see a woman preacher, next door down you might find somebody speaking in tongues, next door down you might meet a reformed brother, next door down may be a seeker friendly church, next door down may be one of these crackpot, wacked out emergent churches or gatherings or whatever you call them.

Check out your precious convention"s different state conventions and some of their associations. Dude there are some wacked out things going on in church planting and it sure ain't baptistic.

So who is going to win the day? The young reformed SB preachers, the seeker friendly,hip relevant, don't wanna stand for the convention preachers, or the moderates/libs. who have simply put on a new disguise which is the postmodernistic, emergent, type of costume.
Who knows maybe it is the bapticostals like Ron Phillips who really have the clout, after all they got the Holy Ghost anointing.

 

Yep the State of Florida is eat up with this liberalism. It is time for another option.

 

I see you didn't take my advice in the other thread to calm down.

Seriously....calm down.

 

Do you prefer this statement of belief from our "Christian" President?


Bush on Religion and God
President Says He Believes Muslims and Christians Pray to Same God
Oct. 26, 2004 - While the president often refers to God during public addresses to his supporters, Bush's religious convictions don't always seem to reflect those of the conservative Christians who make up his political base.

In an exclusive interview with ABC News' Charles Gibson, Bush said he believes that both Christians and Muslims worship the same God.

"I think we do. We have different routes of getting to the Almighty," Bush said. "But I want you to understand, I want your listeners to understand, I don't get to get decide who goes to heaven. The Almighty God decides who goes to heaven and I am on my personal walk," he said.

 

If you believe both parties have no integrity (which is correct), why do you keep singing the praises of Carter?

The American people are sick of the existing two parties, the lies, the deciet, and pandering for votes.

 

With all the problems of the SBC, what on earth makes you think the likes of Carter can help? Lets go back to 1976, when Mr Carter was elected. We had all sorts of problems, a recession, lack of confidence because of Watergate and Vietnam, etc. Now, forward to 1980. How did he help the situaion? Now, take that fact and plug him into helping the Baptist faith, with Clinton there. Duh