Catholic or Christian

Question: Our CoC friends state that you must believe and be baptized in order to be Christian. Would you consider them to be Christians?

Qustion: There are some (on this board) that believe that one can fall away from his/her salvation due to their unrepented sins. Would you consider them to be Christians?

Just wondering.

 

No, according to the Catholic Church, you and I cannot paricipate in the Eucharist in the Catholic Church, and Catholics are discouraged (not prohibited) from taking Communion elsewhere.

The sacraments aren't grace, but are considered a means of grace; one of the ways God's grace is shed abroad upon the hearts of human beings.

 

Hmmm...

"...any one saith, that grace, as far as God’s part is concerned, is not given through the said sacraments, always, and to all men, even though they receive them rightly, but (only) sometimes, and to some persons..."

So if you think that the Sacraments are not a means of grace, I'd steer clear of Catholicism. Otherwise, what's the problem?

 

Sounds more like they were saying that a person doesn't have to receive the sacraments a certain number of times to receive grace.

"...any one saith, that grace, as far as God’s part is concerned, is not given through the said sacraments, always, and to all men, even though they receive them rightly, but (only) sometimes, and to some persons..."

 

OK, let's see where to start.

1. First you quoted Calvin & Luther & I answered your post.

2. Not quite sure what you meant by an "effeminate" reformed faith you referred to another post - other than a slap at our fellow women believers. I would assume that effeminate faith is just as good as your manly faith.

3. Regarding Spurgeon, I'm sure I don't agree with everything he said. For one, he was a Baptist, so that separates us there, right from the start. However, I think he was on track regarding the doctrine of grace.

4. For that matter, I usually don't agree with everything with any of my friends. And, we are still friends.

5. Regarding exactly to whom Spurgeon was referring, I don't know.

6. If Spurgeon was referring to the current pope (Pius 9, I think), I might agree, though I don't know too much about him. He strongly believed in the immaculate conception and the infallability of the pope - so there's two key items there.

7. If Spurgeon was referring to the catholic church of his day, I might agree as well.


Now that I've answered your question (again), would you be kind enough to answer mine: What about your CoC brothers who add baptism. Christian or not? What about your Baptist/Adventist/Other brethren who add holy living -- Christian or not?

 

As I was reading this, I was reminded of an idiot I saw on TV last night spewing forth his vile charismatic doctrine of exorcism, and describing demons as sticks of dynomite or something like that... anyway, he was condenming Baptists and praising Rccs over their stance on exorcism...

Can anyone say, "one world church"?

 

For those who still naively think that Roman Catholics are Christians, please take the time to listen to the two part sermon linked below.

John MacArthur gives a ton and a half of Biblical evidence why they cannot reaonably claim to be Christians.

 

What sermon?

Despite all of the abuses the RCC is still a Christian Church. The Gospel is still there even if they have attempted to bury it under Canon Law. I have seen too much positive evidence in the confession and lives of Catholics to blanketly call it a non-Christian church.

 

Catholic and Christianity are far, far different, as the East is far from the West.
Fake money bill 100 Dollar looks similar to genuine bill 100 dollar, but the fake money holder or user will be jailed when they turn out to be false.

Fake Christians will go to the hell.
If anyone is among the Roman Catholics, he or she will realize what is wrong with the RCC, and will come out of such pagan church. If not, he or she doesn't have the Holy Spirit in the heart.

There are many, many fake Christians even among the Protestants who claim themselves are born again, such are sympathetic or support Roman Cahtolic, because their father is the same as the father of RCC. Read John 8:44.
They are cheating themselves when they excuse they are Christians. By doing so, they are the only ones who lose the eternal life and go to the Hell. How miserable they are when they believe that they are going to the Purgartory since even the Robber at the Cross went to Paradise without going to Purgatory.
If they remain in RCC, it means that they don't believe that they can go to the Heaven directly but believe that they are going to the Purgatory to spend millions of years relying on the works of their relatives, almsgiving, descendants prayers etc.
They deny that their church is built upon Jesus Christ, the True Rock of Salvation but firmly insist that their church is built upon Peter, the human being, who denied Jesus Christ 3 times, who was rebuked as being Satan's advocator or puppet, by Lord Jesus.
They worship their god, son of a woman, virtually goddess decorated as Mary.

Watch out what you have is a genuine bill or a fake money!
When you buy a house you need a good inspection. When youy buy an eternal house, you need a good study and checking, whether it leads you to the Heaven or to the Hell.

 

I reject the followings:
- Salvation by Grace + Works
- Salvation by baptism
- Infant Baptism
- Idol making for Mary or Joseph or Jesus
- Idol worshipping for those statues
- Immaculate Conception of Mary
- Perpetual Virginity of Mary
- Assumption : Ascension of Mary
- Theotokos : calling Mary Mother of God, meaning God is the Son of Mary.
- Mary as Mother of Church
- Queen of Heaven
- Clergy system with hierarchy
- Compulsory Celibacy
- Papacy
- Papal infallibility
- Inquisition
- Whorish Tradition of so-called holy tradition
- No Salvation outside Roman Catholic Church
- Excuses on Crusade
- Purgatory
- Limbo
- Mass which is ever asking forgiveness of the sins without bringing the Gospel that such sins were already forgiven at the Cross.
- Transubstantiation ( Magic performance by Catholic Priests)
- Confession to priests
- Extreme Unction after death
- Prayer to the dead
- Prayer for the dead
- Prayer to Mary
- Pray with Rosario
- all the signs of pagan origin such as ankh cross, mark of IHS, threefold hats for the pope, etc.
Inquisition
Indulgence
Proxy wars

 

Hey, guys,

Sorry for the confusion. I didn't realize that the links didn't appear in my post. Here they are:

Hour one: "Sould Evangelicals Witness to Roman Catholics"

http://www.wayofthemasterradio.com/p...9-2006-hour-1/

Hour two: "The Office of the Papacy"

http://www.wayofthemasterradio.com/p...7-2006-hour-2/

Both are excellent.