Catholic Taliban?

So DHK is "be sure to use a condom" the advice that you gave to your children when they came to be of dating age?

Or did you teach them that sex outside of marriage is a sin and to be avoided?

Guess what works better than anything else at preventing AIDS ?

Abstinence.

 

DHK - if the mayor of your town were to be a member of your church and he started to publicly campaign for a city ordinance allowing bars to stay open 24 hours per day and for alcohol to be sold all day on Sunday...

Would your church remain silent?

 

No?

Your church would not remain silent?

Isn't that a contradiction?

What about the separation of church and state?

And what about the church member that was pushing to have alcohol sales 24/7?

What would your church say to him?

 

So this means that churches should ignore it when the goverment goes into the business of promoting and financially supporting sin?

 

Certainly, however, its still their position. My position is not to have sex until your married and contraceptives loosen the responsibilty inherent with risk taking. However, thats my position and I can speak out about it. How is this a problem?

First I don't think you know whether the Catholic Bishops of America said anything or not. I think you're are making a presumption with this statement. Anyway, He could have slept with George Carlin and the point is irrelevant to the discussion. The question is whether the Catholic Church forced its will and imprisoned anybody. Clearly, it wasn't the Church but the government.

Thank God. I enjoy a lager now and then!

Again you are making an assuption as to what the Catholic Church said or didn't say. But its clear that the Kennedies particpated in illegal trade of liquor during the prohibition and made their wealth that way.

So you're telling me that during the bay of Pigs JFK was shooting a movie? Or that the cuban missle crisis Kennedy was consentrating on liquor sales? I think you need to work on your history a bit better.

of that you have no idea. Do you think they said anything to him? I don't know. Do you?

Many Americans like JFK. And certainly he had better taste in women than Bill Clinton.

That would be nice.

They did it to John Kerry. The fact is if a church wanted to excommunicate any member for any reason its their right. However, if the president is a man of principle he won't care what the Catholic Church wants him to do. Ultimately thats between God and him. Also the Catholic Church hasn't arrested the president. Hasn't re-written a bill and the government is doing all the things that it should be doing.

Again you really don't know that.

And they can't interfere in the Philipenes either. They can't pass and veto laws in that country they can only say what their position is and how a member stands in their community. I didn't hear the Methodist say anything about Bill Clintons immoral stances either.

Quoting Jefferson? You're missapply his quote about the wall of seperation. that prohibits government from interfering with church business.

Because they are not the united States. Is there such a seperation in Canada? I wonder. The US created that consept.

Uh. they haven't they said believe like we do or you can't be with us. Big difference. I, for instance, can't be a member of your church and sleep with as many women as I want and act in a manner contrary to your belief. Same thing.

 

Xavier did not and could not order a crusade. He just didn't have that much juice. :laugh: I think only the Pope could do that. He did request an inquisition to stem the growth of Judaism into his Christian communities but then again that didn't even happen until after his death. He's not responsible for how secular soldiers acted after his death. That's just unreasonable.

 

Would your church allow such a person to continue to be a part of your church?

If a church member campaigned for 24/7 alcohol sales - would your church excommunicate him if he persisted?

If a church member campaigned for legalized gambling - would your church excommunicate him if he persisted?

I a church member campaigned for legalized prostitution - would your church excommunicate him if he persisted?

A simple yes or no will do.

 

It is quite difficult to have a discussion with someone who does not appear to have the ability to read with comprehension.

The "campaign" is the one in favor of the proposed bill concerning the government promoting contraceptives.

You reject the Catholic Church's position against contraception - because you have no problem with contraception.

I used the other issues - alcohol, prostitution and gambling because I believe that you would have a problem with those issues.

The analogy is :

The Catholic Church excommunicating a member of their church that promotes something that the Catholic Church considers to be sin - namely contraception.

So the question remains (which I fully expect for you to continue to dodge) - would your church excommunicate a member who is a politician that is publicly supporting something that your chuch considers to be sin - such as drinking, prostitution and gambling?

A simple yes or no will do - but is still more than I could possibly expect from you.

How do you get from excommunication to "threaten the life"?

The president is free to do as he wishes in governing - and the Catholic Church is free to accept or reject him as a member according to how he accepts the beliefs and teachings of their church.

DHK aren't you being a Taliban that wants to control other churches by dictating membership to them?

 

So you don't want to answer the basic questions huh?

No surprise there.

So I will assume then that your church would not excommunicate a member that was publicly promoting alcohol consumption, prostitution and gambling.

I don't blame you for not admitting it.

 

What have I avoided?

What questions?

I have adressed your silly bigoted accusations - and have asked you to clarify your position by telling me how your church would handle a similar situation - but you duck and dodge.

Ok - so your church would have physically man handle someone who disrupted a service.

And your church would be fine with a member that publicly promotes prostitution, alcohol consumption and gambling.

And that gives you the moral authority to criticize a church that would use the Scriptural authority to excommunicate a church member that defies the beliefs of their church?

 

You won't get a straight answer from DHK. He will continue to dodge your questions and say they are not relevant. Of course they are relevant and you are absolutely right. DHK is out of gas on this.