CBF remove Jesus

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  1. PastorSBC1303

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    CBF's new purpose statement critiqued

    for not mentioning Jesus, evangelism


    By Ken Camp

    GRAPEVINE, Texas (ABP) -- The Cooperative Baptist Fellowship approved revisions to its constitution and bylaws July 1, turning aside a move to make a commitment to Jesus Christ and evangelism explicit in the CBF purpose statement.

    The old statement said, in part, the Fellowship's purpose is "to bring together Baptists who desire to call out God's gifts in each person in order that the gospel of Jesus Christ will be spread throughout the world in glad obedience to the Great Commission."

    The first sentence of the revised statement says the CBF's purpose is "to serve Christians and churches as they discover and fulfill their God-given mission."

    Jay Robison of Lexington, Ky., moved that the revised constitution and bylaws be sent back to committee, pointing specifically to the purpose statement.

    Bob DeFoor of Harrodsburg, Ky., likewise criticized the purpose statement for failing to include a specific reference to Jesus Christ and evangelism. Alluding obliquely to the 2000 "Baptist Faith and Message," which was criticized by moderate Baptists for deleting a reference to Jesus Christ as the criterion for biblical interpretation, DeFoor said the CBF was in danger of a similar omission.

    "I don't think we should ever leave out Jesus Christ," he said.

    Dick Allison of Hattiesburg, Miss., chairman of the CBF legal committee, said the intent was to bring the language in the Fellowship's governing documents in line with its publicized mission statement -- "serving Christians and churches as they discover and fulfill their God-given mission."

    The motion to refer the entire constitution and bylaws back to committee failed. DeFoor then introduced another motion referring only the article about the organization's purpose back to committee.

    "We need to make explicit our commitment to Christ and make explicit our commitment to evangelism," he said.

    The motion failed.

    Southern Baptist leaders immediately picked up on the language change in the CBF document. "My central concern is what this means about the true nature of the CBF and its commitment to the gospel of Jesus Christ," Albert Mohler, president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Ky., told Baptist Press. Mohler was chair of the committee that revised the SBC's "Baptist Faith and Message."

    Russell Moore, theology dean at Southern and a frequent critic of CBF, told Baptist Press: "This represents the eclipse of Christ in the moderate Baptist movement. For years, CBF leaders and divinity schools have rejected the necessity of faith in Christ for salvation. ... Sadly, this is what happens when a group seeks unity around what they do not believe."

    Bob Setzer, CBF moderator, said that criticism is misdirected. "Jesus is present in all we think, do and say in CBF, and anybody who reads that mission statement otherwise is not being fair to [Jesus] or us," said Setzer, pastor of First Baptist Church of Christ in Macon, Ga. "It's hard to believe that a movement whose mission statement is 'being the presence of Christ' isn't committed to Jesus. We are."


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  2. Joseph_Botwinick

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    This doesn't surprise me one bit. I think this says just about all you need to know about the CBF.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
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    Moore is 100% correct.
     
  4. FBCPastorsWife

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    My thoughts exactly Joseph!!
     
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    Why is it so important to the SBC what the CBF does?
     
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    Hey Ben,

    It is a discussion board. Why is it so important to Australians what the United States does?

    What do you think about them throwing out Jesus and evangelism?

    Joseph Botwinick
     
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    I am not sure that they have "thrown it out", they said their purpose is to fufil their God given mission. Jesus is God, and His commands are their mission. Sounds reasonable enough.
     
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    This doesn't surprise me one bit. I think this says just about all you need to know about the CBF.

    Joseph Botwinick
    </font>[/QUOTE]If they are committed to it, what is their hestitation to explicitly say so?

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    This doesn't surprise me one bit. I think this says just about all you need to know about the CBF.

    Joseph Botwinick
    </font>[/QUOTE]Took the words right out of my mouth, Joseph!!

    Lots of people say that the SBC is like a "Glass House" with people looking at our every move and listening to our every word----well----so is the CBF!! Trouble is---the CBF isn't giving us anything to see nor hear----they are "Moon Walking on Krypton!!"----going nowhere fast and high!!!

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    I'd guess because alot of their churches are dual affiliated. Atleast around here, eventhough some churches like mine are SBC only.
     
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    I'd guess because alot of their churches are dual affiliated. Atleast around here, eventhough some churches like mine are SBC only. </font>[/QUOTE]You know what we say about this "duel" alignment, don't cha????

    "A double minded man is unstable in all his ways."---James 1:8
     
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    When Jesus is removed, there is a problem and all believers should stand up and take notice. They are on a slippery slope downhill. Thats why.
     
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    When Jesus is removed, there is a problem and all believers should stand up and take notice. They are on a slippery slope downhill. Thats why. </font>[/QUOTE]Didn't the moderates make a similar argument about the BFM 2000? (see article)
     
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    Do you really think these are similiar issues?

    The changes to the BFM were not in regard to the purpose of the convention, it was in regard to interpretation of Scripture. When a group takes Jesus out of a purpose statement they are in trouble.
     
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    Exactly. Interpreting the Bible through "Jesus Christ" was a slick way for liberals to avoid the historic doctrine of inerrancy.

    Now these same liberals and modernists take out Jesus Christ in their constitution! They just aren't able to bear the reproach that comes with being identified as a disciple of Christ!

    They have revealed what they truly are uniting around, and it isn't Jesus Christ.
     
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    Somehow I fail to see how having a mission statement that is "Being the presence of Christ" is guilty of removing Jesus, but hey whatever floats your boat.

    I think that it is interesting that in the same week that Baptist Press was taken to task by some fundamentalists for not reporting fully the events surrounding the public school resolution, this critical report comes from Associated Baptist Press, the supposedly "evil, liberal" section of the baptist press.
     
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    Did you actually read the changes in the article?

    Old purpose statement: "to bring together Baptists who desire to call out God's gifts in each person in order that the gospel of Jesus Christ will be spread throughout the world in glad obedience to the Great Commission."

    New purpose statement: "to serve Christians and churches as they discover and fulfill their God-given mission."

    Now you cannot tell me that is not a huge difference? Why would any Christian group remove such things as "gospel of Jesus Christ" and "obedience to the Great Commission" ????

    The mission statement does talk about being the presence of Christ...but what in the world does that mean? Seems pretty vague, and their purpose statement does not clarify it at all.
     
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    Camp leaves out the following part of Moore's quote which he pulled from BP:

    "What we are seeing here is a generational struggle between older CBF leaders, who wish to hold on to more traditional Christian language, and younger CBF activists, who have learned well the radical theological lessons of the older generation and now wish to apply them consistently."

    Time will ultimatley tell, but I tend to think he's right in that assessment.
     
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    Actually I don't think the first statement was very good to begin with.

    How does a denomination "call out God's gifts in each person"? I don't think that is even possible, is it?

    Here are four links that should help clear things up

    CBF Identity

    CBF Mission

    CBF Vision

    CBF Core Values

    Looks like to me Jesus is pretty well represented.
     
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    Yet another example of why I tend to believe ABP more than BP in controversial situations.
     

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