CDC: 10 reports of Guillain-Barre Syndrome following H1N1 vaccine in last 2 months

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  1. Revmitchell

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    A Tennessee woman is learning to walk again after she came down with a deadly nerve disease only eight days after receiving the swine-flu vaccine.

    Clarksville resident Suzanne Hogan is recovering at Vanderbilt University Medical Center's Stallworth Rehabilitation Center from Guillain-Barre Syndrome, or GBS, an illness she believes is associated with the H1N1 vaccination.

    GBS attacks the lining of the nerves, causing paralysis and inability to breathe, and can be fatal. Symptoms may include "pins and needles" sensations in fingers and toes; weakness or tingling in legs and upper body; inability to walk; difficulty with eye movement, facial movement, speaking, chewing or swallowing; severe lower back pain; difficulty with bladder control or intestinal functions; very slow heart rate or low blood pressure; difficulty breathing; choking on saliva and even complete paralysis of legs, arms and breathing muscles over the course of a few hours.

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    Hogan was hospitalized Nov. 14 when she lost function of her legs and was unable to walk without assistance. She is now learning how to master motor skills.

    Suzanne's husband, Shannon, told the Leaf-Chronicle no one else in his family will take the H1N1 vaccine.

    "They expect Suzanne to have a 100 percent recovery. We just want people to know the risk," he said. "If you've ever watched anyone go through Guillain-Barre, you would rather go through the flu.


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  2. Johnv

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    It's always wise to have prudence, and thankfully, the cases so far are unremarkable.

    Between October 6 and November 24, 2009, 10 cases were reported. Of the 10 reported cases, 6 of them turned out NOT to be Guillain-Barré syndrome.

    GBS is rare and has an incidence of about 2 people per 100,000 in the general unvaccinated population. The 4 cases in the vaccinated population are the same rate (in fact, slightly lower) found in the general population. Although these cases are still under review, there is so far no indication that the 4 GBS cases were the dicrect result of the H1N1a vaccine, or any other vaccine.
     
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    Tell that to the Hogans. I'm sure they'll be impressed and relieved.
     
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    Exactly, my father had a vaccination when I was a boy and it nearly killed him. If you ever witness this personally as I have you would not be so indifferent about it.
     
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    You guys are arging that if it happened to one, it will happen to all. That's false.

    It's true that if there's a 1 in a million change of something happenning, and it happens to you, then it's 100% that it happenned to you. But that doesn't change the fact that it's still a 1 in a million chance.

    In this case, there's not even any support for the claim that the H1N1a vaccine cased Suzanne Hogan's GBS.
     
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    Pseudo-intellectuals who pretend to be objective will anyway
     
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    Talk about ignorance. This is what we have for reverends these days? No wonder the church is in trouble.
     
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    John, that was overboard.... you need to reconsider.
     
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    Sorry about that. Revmitchell's penchant for philistinism and barbarity got the best of me.
     
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    Rein in your imagination. I did no such thing.
     
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    Pretense is the art of nominal Christians.
     
  12. Magnetic Poles

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    John, there you go again, giving the complete story based on facts and not spin. That will get you banned if you aren't careful. People don't want to consider evidence that is contrary to their preconceived notions, but only confirming evidence. Get with the program, man.
     
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    Kudos to you for presenting the facts. Unfortunately it will fall on mostly deaf ears around here.

    I bet if we surveyed those that received the H1N1 vaccination, we'd find that a percentage of them increased in weight since the vaccination. Maybe we should start a public scare that the H1N1 shot causes you to get fat?
     
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    No offense, but the title "CDC: 10 reports of Guillain-Barre Syndrome following H1N1 vaccine in last 2 months" is not meaningful. To determine the meaningfulness of the issue we must compare the number of people who have had the H1N1 vaccine and the number of people (10) who have developed GBS. Then we must determine if the H1N1 vaccine was the cause of the GBS or was the development of GBS related to some other factor that occured around the same time.

    Anyone getting ill with Guillain-Barre Syndrome is tragic. However any attempt to claim that the H1N1 vaccine raises the risk of this condition is misleading. There is no evidence that the H1N1 vaccine, or flu vaccine, greatly increases the risk of developing GBS.

    "Since 1976, many studies have been done to see if other flu vaccines may cause GBS. In most studies no link was found between the flu vaccine and GBS. However, two studies did suggest that about 1 more person out of 1 million people vaccinated with seasonal flu vaccine may develop GBS. This continues to be studied." (SOURCE)

    As the CDC points out, "For the most part, the chance of getting very ill from flu is far higher than the chance of getting GBS after getting the flu vaccine." (SOURCE)

    Based on the evidence, I don't think concerns over GBS should prevent large numbers of people from getting the vaccines. Far more people will die this year from the flu (on average about 36,000) than from Guillain-Barre Syndrome (with or without flu vaccines). Therefore I am far more concerned about the flu than Guillain-Barre Syndrome.

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    Of course not.:rolleyes:
     
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    Guillain-Barre is a legitimate risk in most vaccines. It is listed on the documentation attached the vaccines. I'm suprised we don't hear about it more often from that anti-vaccination crowd. It is a much more of a legitimate concern than autism and quite a devastating disease. However it is also much rarer than autism.

    So yes, there is an association with vaccines and Guillain-Barre. It is unlikely that this association is causal (ie vaccines cause Guillain-Barre) because it is such a rare occurrence. But in people who do develop Guillain-Barre, vaccines do seem to be a triggering event.

    Guillain-Barre is an auto-immune disease and appears to be triggered by a type of immune response. This response could be illicited by a vaccine but it could also be illicited a virus or bacterial infection. So it is possible that the people who developed GBS after a vaccine would have gotten it anyway from some other infection. The disease still is poorly understood by the medical community and as others have stated, is very rare.
     
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    What an idiotic supposition.

    While John's figures may or may not be correct on the surface, it's still an invalid comparison.

    Using the entire population for one statistic and a small portion of the population to make a comparison to it, is faulty reasoning from the get go.

    No one has to be a statistician to see the holes in that.

    Now see if you can come up with a response that means something and actually makes sense. :thumbs:
     
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    Thanks..I can always count on you for your responses given in Christian love. :love2:

    Why aren't you complaining about regular flu vaccinations? Or any other type of vaccination? The same correlation between Guillain-Barre those vaccinations exist as does between Guillain-Barre and H1N1. What exactly is your agenda against the H1N1 vaccination? Are you truly rooting for more government control or something in this area?
     
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    Good Questions, Matt.

    To compare // "They expect Suzanne to have a 100 percent recovery. We just want people to know the risk," he said. "If you've ever watched anyone go through Guillain-Barre, you would rather go through the flu. // requires that we also study the "over 10,000" American deaths due to the H1N1 Flu. I have been told that I'm old enough (age 66) that I probably have partial immunity to H1N1 type flus, they were going around the 1940s. However, I am a month late on my seasonal anti-flu shot, due to the H1N1 crises.
     
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    Thank you.

    Do you have a comparison that makes sense? You've tried the weight thing. Wanna try a height comparison? :rolleyes:
     
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