CDC: 10 reports of Guillain-Barre Syndrome following H1N1 vaccine in last 2 months

Yes it is. The facts don't support the claim.

So, let's get this straight. It's your opinion that use of statisical control groups and statistical study groups are, as you said, "idiotic supposition"? How's about the fact that there's no evidence that shows GBS is caused by the H1N1a vaccine? I suppose that's an idiotic supposition as well.

 

The truth is there is no evidence for the claim that the H1N1a vaccine causes GBS.

 

That is a lie.


The truth is that there are people that contracted GBS after vaccination for H1N1 and no one at all can say with 100% assurance that the vaccine did not cause or contribute to it. And that is evidence.

 

It is a fact. There is no evidence for the claim that H1N1a vaccine causes GBS.

That's true. There are 4 cases of CBG occurring in persons after receiving the H1N1a vaccine.

That contradicts what you said earlier. First you claim that there is evidence that H1N1a causes GBS. Now you claim no one can say that the vaccine did or didn't cause GBS.

And yes, you CAN say whether or not the vaccine, or any condition, causes GBS. You've already indicated no objection to the use of statisical control groups and statistical study groups, so let's see what happens:

GBS occurs normally in the general unvaccinated popilation at the rate of 2 people per 100,000. Therefore, in the vaccinated population, one would expect 2 in every 100,000 people to likewise contract GBS. The rate was 4 in 600,000, which is actually a little less than the expected rate.

The conclusion is that GBS doesn't occur in H1N1a recipients any more than it does in the general unvaccinated population. That demonstrates that the H1N1a vaccine does not have any impact on whether a person contracts CGS. Since no cause and effect relationship can be demonstrated, it is a statement of fact to say that there is no evidence for the claim that H1N1a causes GBS.

 

Contradictory and very convenient.

If actual cases can be totally disregarded as "evidence", then there will never be any "evidence".

Convenient, as well as ridiculous.

That's another lie. I warned you about putting words in my mouth.

 

carpro must have learned how to take snippets out of context from Sean Hannity....and no, that's not a compliment!

 

You haven't been able to support your first "that's a lie" claim.

According to your words:
First, you claim the phrase "There is no evidence for the claim that H1N1a vaccine causes GBS" is a lie.
Now, you's claiming that the phrase "no one can say that the vaccine did or didn't cause GBS" is a lie.
According to your words.

Not contradictory at all. The fact that GBS doesn't occur any more in the vaccinated public than in the vaccinated public supports the claim that the H1N1a vaccine isn't a contributor to GBS. Perhaps you're having difficulty understanding objectivity.
Let's make this easier for you:
Please provide evidence that H1N1a causes GBS.

 

You really need to try the quote feature and stop lying about what people write.

But, then of course, you couldn't misstate what they write to make your points. I can see where that might cause you a problem.

Let me give you a hint. If your point won't stand up to the truth, it's not worth making in the first place..

 

The fallacy of that line of thinking is that the only way you can know what the real statistic is, is to vaccinate the entire population.

 

It obvious you don't even know what your own position is, because you keep changing it.

Now, if you want to talk facts, it's obvious what the facts are:

Uhhh, it's called "control group vs study group". Look it up, because you're starting to sound really ignorant on the subject.

Now, if you want to talk about fallacy in one's line of thinking: Those who are ignorant of what a study group will say that, if 1 in a million get an illness in the general unvaccinated population, and 1 in a million get an illness in the vaccinated population, then the illness must be caused by the vaccination.

 

Of course not. It would prove you wrong.

You should have stopped posting a while ago. Your posts just make you sound more and more ignorant on the topic as you go.

 

Perhaps. Unlike you, I've been wrong before.

But, also unlike you, I've never felt it necessary to lie about what other people write.

 

You can say "you lie" all day long, but anyone here who looks through the posts will see otherwise.

 

:laugh:

They certainly will.

 

Here's an interestint statement from the MAYO Clinic:

Even using 4 in 100,000, regardless of the cause, the people who contract it will get no comfort from dispassionately quoted statistics.

BTW the manufacturer lists GBS as one of the many possible complications of taking the vaccine. Afraid of lawsuits, I guess.

Bottom line is that no one is 100% certain of any of it.

 

Nothing in there that's unusual. Of note, though is the fact that everyone should understand that GBS is a syndrome, not a disease.

Pretending that they got GBS from the vaccine won't help any either.

That's not the bottom line. The bottom line is that there's no evidence to support the claim that the 4 cases of GBS in the OP were caused by the H1N1a vaccine.