Celebrating Recovery as a sunday school cirriccilum

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  1. Archeryaddict

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    hello
    I am not really sure if this is the best place to post this topic but I wanted as much input as I could get and this section has the most traffic so here goes.

    My wife and I have been Led to minister to others with hurts Habbits and Hang ups, to minister and disciple those who otherwise would not feel comfortable in a Sunday School classroom setting because of their background, their current situation or their sense of insecurity of how they are recieved by other church members.
    both my wife and I were not brought up in church so we are able to relate with people who are searching for their purpose because we were once standing where they are.

    Anyway because of our background this is where God is placing us in His ministry where we can be most effective for His Purpose.

    I would like to get some feedback from others who lead similar ministrys
    in a Sunday School setting.

    Thanks.
     
  2. Pastor Larry

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    If people have a "sense of insecurity" around other believers, isn't is exarcebating that to exclude them from the body in such a way? It would be better to disciple them in the context of the body itself, rather than segregating them. If other believers don't accept them, then address the other believers in their sinfulness.
     
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    The problem I have with that suggestion is that the vast majority warming the pews today have never discipled anyone and are a poor example of what a real Christian should look like. If the new Christians were kept away for about two years they would not be so enticed to follow the crowd but rather focus on what the Bible teaches about Christ. Also, they would not also be exposed to church politics and see selfish religious zealots in action.
     
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    Your intentions may be good, but would you really get anybody to come to a class like that? It seems to involve more "letting down the guard" then I think most people would want to do in a S.S. setting.
     
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    that is what the church service is for.

    They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.
    But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
    Matthew 9:12-13

    Pastor Larry
    with All due respect this is a perfect example of what I was not looking for

    Pastor you know as well as I do that no matter how much you admonish the congregation it will have little or no effect at all.


    the problem with the church today is that we are good at leading people to Christ but once they are saved we as the Body of Christ fail to Disciple them and then shortly return from wence they came.

    this is why God has led us to do this so we can disciple people coming out of drug and alcohol dependancys, smokers, prostitution, sex offenders, people with porn addictions, victims of abuse, the people who may not smell so good, ect.
    most churches do not have programs that minister or disciple these kinds of groups of people.
    it is our mission to disciple these people that they can be all they can be according to Gods purpose and so they can use their testimony to reach others who may be struggling with the same problems God delivered or is delivering them from.

    if you have never been where these people have come out of you cannot begin to understand the issues that they face in the church let alone what they are having to deal with on a daily basis.
    Change is a gradual process and God is putting us in place that they can make the transition with someone who is there to help them and to understand what they are going through.
     
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    it is not my intentions, it is what God has led my wife and I to do.
    the Church is full of people who fit this discription and are interested in this ministry.
    so yes we have several cantidates that would make up a full class

    what I am looking for is input from people who are leading these types of groups.
     
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    I see a purpose for it for a season. I do think that eventually, every one needs to be mainstreamed -- life is mainstream.
     
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    I want to add that part of the reason I see a purpose is because we (we as in Baptists/Christians/old time religion types) can be awfully hard line -- hard-hearted -- forgetting what life was ever like outside of the church.

    We see it here on the BB sometimes . . .
     
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    From former addicts that I've talked to, addicts tend to go to church as a break from their usual daily lifestyle, where they can be with others outside of their usual circle of friends, or as a reminder of something they may have grown up with but fallen away from. They will usually come just to observe at first, to see if this is something they may be apart of ( sadly, many do not feel they are worthy of being there). Those who choose to continue to attend services feel more comfortable telling people about their problems when and if they are ready.
    I'd like to add, too, that many addicts may have also been involved in horrific crimes, which will make them even more reluctant to disclose anything about their past.

    Sopranette

    Are you an archery fan, too?
     
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    That is what the program is all about.
    How many of us are worthy of salvation?
    Praise Jesus that He saw worth in each and every one of us when we all deserve hell.
    We need to show others that Jesus sees worth in them also
    they are not going to get this kind of support and discipleship in an ordinary Sunday school class or church service.

    and MC director as you pointed out the mainstream member has become hard lined and if we are not careful we can run off the ones who are in most need of salvation, to run off the ones who can most be used by God in this generation to reach others for Christ.
    That scares me to think that we have turned folks away or turned folks off to Christ because they don't fit the mold people within the walls of the Church are trying to force them in.

    we have in a sense become so dogmatic and self righteous that we have forgotten what our purpose in the church is and that purpose is to lead others in a personal relationship with Christ regardless of what they look like or what kinds of addictions they may have it is not our duty to clean them up, it is our duty to love them and disciple them and leave it to God to clean them up in his time not ours.
    It is the Goal of the program to get them in the mainstream of the Church that they May carry on the ministry that God has led us to start.
    I don't know where God will lead us a year or 2 from now but I know where he wants us for the time being and where he leads us we will follow.
     
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    That's cool.

    Is this similar to RU then?
     
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    The church I have attended has a Celebrate Recovery. We meet on Friday Nights for dinner, worship, small group time, then fellowship. I usually cook the meal every other week. It is a fantastic ministry, and if you feel like this is what God is calling you to do, do it. We don't separate out a Sunday school class since we meet on Friday nights (who wants to get up early on Sunday anyway!!) We have a small group time on Wednesday nights that would account for "Sunday School time" anyway, where they do step studies.
     
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    This lacks only obedience. Christ did not call us to separate people from the church but to incorporate them into the church.

    I completely disagree. When we admonish the congregation with the Spirit's power from the Word of God, it does have effect. The problem is that too few are using the Word and even less are using the Spirit's power.

    I don't think that is the problem at all.

    I am not convinced that we need a separate program. I don't think it is necessarily wrong though it is too often man centered. But the early church didn't have this and they seemed to do much better than we. I think we are at a place where we have lost confidence in teh plain word of God.

    I think I can. Understanding something doesn't require participation in it. But that's beside the point. WE are to call people to obedience. And I don't have to come from somewhere to call someone to obedience from there.

    Sometimes gradual sometimes not. But the place that they can make the transition is the church body.
     
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    That would depend on if the church pulls them down or lifts them up. In Rev. 2 and 3 various churches are described. I would not want a new believer to adopt bad practicesd and then have to regularly deal with them in an effort to disciple them. We already have churches full of indoctrinated Christians who do nothing except to fight and pastoirs who are trying to solve the problem. Solving problems among the dead is much harder than dealing with new believers who are willing to grow.
     
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    Saggy woman
    Thanks for the encouragement

    to pastor Larry
    don't criticize what you don't understand.

    this thread was intended to obtain information and advice from others who are leading similar ministrys it was not put up here as a topic for debate; if you wish to debate this please please show some courtesy and respect
    by starting another topic of discussion in another thread. If you don't have any useful information to contribute that may be useful to the ministry please refrain from posting otherwise I will ask a moderator to close the thread.

    Thanks in advance.
     
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    posted in error
     
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    Answering questions with more questions may not seem helpful, but I personally would need some more information before possibly offering a meaningful response, so here goes (in no particular order):

    1. Can you tell us how you and your wife were "led" to this sort of work?

    2. Have you discussed the matter with the church of which you are members, and do you have that church's agreement and support to start this ministry?

    3. You mention Sunday School - does that mean that your ministry would be among children, or is it what tends to be called on this side of the Atlantic an "All-Age Sunday School"?

    4. Would this ministry be taking place at the same time as a church service or other church activity?

    I hope you won't take offence at any of the questions, as certainly none is intended.
     
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    I think many have failed to see the churches response to people who have "issues" in many many cases. What happens is while the average church member who has been filling a pew for 30 years wants more pew fillers and fuller offering plates they want to consign people who come out of serious mistakes in their lives to a lesser type of fellowship in effect making them a second class citizen within the church body. In way to amny churches people who have come out of or are coming out of drug and alcohol problems, legal problems etc. will never be accepted by churches to minister in any way other than folding chairs and cleaning the restrooms.

    I have seen such sunday school classes in a number of churches. The members seem to enjoy that kind of specific fellowship and and those church members that are uncomfortable around divorced people, former drug addicts and alcoholics etc. Are glad to consign them to their own class. People who have such histories may very well need to have such a fellowship.

    But having the need for one is a result of an unhealthy church. There should be no such divisions in the church. And a Pastor who is not addressing such an issue is not fulfilling the ministry God has called him into. The doctrine of Unity is very rarely taught in churches today.
     
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    No offence was taken:wavey: those are very legitimate questions.
    i really want some positive feed back!
    I was hoping to get some advice from some other leaders who may have similar types of discipleship programs in their church.
    but I don't want this therad to turn into a debate of whether it should or should not be done in church.
    it may not be for all chirches but
    God sees a desperate need for it in ours.
     
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    Thanks for that clarification. It is good to know that your Pastor is supporting you in this proposed outreach. The only advice I feel able to give is something you are probably aware of already, that is, that in starting any new "activity" (for want of a better word), it is important that the other church members are supporting you, especially by their prayers. I am involved in our church's midweek bible club for children, none of whom are children of church members, and many of whom come from dysfunctional families. Attendance is sporadic, and behaviour sometimes "challenging", to say the least, which could cause great discouragement to myself and the other leaders, but we know that the other members are bearing the work up before the Throne of Grace.

    May God bless your ministry.
     

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