Change They Can Believe In

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  1. KenH

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    "As Kissinger has famously observed, academic politics are so bitter because the stakes are so small. In one sense, this is true of the Israeli-Palestinian dispute as well: little land is involved. The Palestine of the British mandate, today divided into Israel proper and the occupied territories of Gaza and the West Bank, was the size of New Jersey. In 1919, its total population was estimated at 651,000. Today, the territory counts about 5.4 million Jews and about 5.2 million Arabs. Two diasporas in other parts of the world -- some 7.7 million Jews and 5.2 million Palestinians -- believe that they, too, are entitled to live there.

    But the conflict is about more than land; many people on both sides feel profoundly that a compromise would be morally wrong. A significant minority of Israelis not only retain a fervent attachment to the land that makes up the Eretz Yisrael of the Bible but also believe that to settle and possess it is to fulfill a divine decree. For these Jews, it is a sin to surrender land that God has given them. Although most Israelis do not share this belief with dogmatic rigor, they would be reluctant to obstruct the path of those seeking to redeem the Promised Land.

    It may be difficult for outsiders to understand the Palestinians' yearning for the villages and landscapes lost during the birth of Israel in 1948. The sentiment is much more than nostalgia. The Palestinians' national identity took shape in the course of their struggle with Zionism, and the mass displacement of Palestinians resulting from Israel's War of Independence, or the nakba ("catastrophe" in Arabic), was the fiery crucible out of which the modern Palestinian consciousness emerged. The dispossessed Palestinians, especially refugees living in camps, are seen as the bearers of the most authentic form of Palestinian identity. The unconditional right of Palestinians to return to the land and homes lost in the nakba is the nation's central demand. For many, although by no means all, Palestinians, to give up the right of return would be to betray their people. Even those who do not see this claim as an indispensable goal of the national movement are uneasy about giving it up."

    - rest at www.foreignaffairs.org/20090101faessay88105/walter-russell-mead/change-they-can-believe-in.html?mode=print
     
  2. Magnetic Poles

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    I find this map interesting.
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    What about the mass displacement of Israelites long before 1948? This op is simply anti-Israel proganda.
     
  4. KenH

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    That is shocking, MP. I imagine a similar map of Native American land in the United States over time would show something very similar.
     
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    Why does Israel still exist after God sent the promised Messiah?

    I also believe a lot of this was self caused by Israel when they failed to be obedient when God brought them out of the wilderness of sin. They didn't kill everything in the land and have paid the price every sense...
     
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    Very funny. :laugh:

    The Palestinians have no "national identy" and never have.
     
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    What's difficult to understand? Who lost that land? Palestinians, similar to our Indians, who had little legitimate claim to land, and lacking the power to keep it, and "no" national identity...
    A nation takes up residence in the world system...
    And the land was promised Abraham, in perpetuity.
     
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    Obviously you need to research the great native American nations. No legitimate claim? Very odd idea.
     
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    I thought it was just me who thought that...

    We brought them "civilization"...
     
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    Because they know how to fight wars.

    And God has promised other things for them.
     
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    And you think that all the promises to Israel were fufilled at the coming of the Messiah?
     
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    As a nation on the Day of Pentecost after our Lord arose - yes.
     
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    Says who?......
     
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    Says who that it isn't?......
     
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    Says a 1000 year reign. Did we miss it ?
     
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    So who gets to decide which countries get to go on, and which ones don't ? Liberals ? Progressives ? Since God never mentions Somalia, should they be left to go on as a nation ?

    To Mitch, I quoted you, but the question is to LB. Sorry for the confusel.
     
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    I agree, that is way I was taught.

    If you read folks like J.C. Hurewitz you get a different picture.
     
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    For one, I do. When was the Lord crowned King? Do you think He is on David's throne today? Has the lion laid down with the lamb. Do woman no longer endure pain in child bearing? The promised Kingdom is still in the future...
     
  19. KenH

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    All of the Old Testament promises to ancient Israel were fulfilled in total. There is nothing lacking. The only thing left is for Christ Jesus to return and take His bride to be with Him forever and to send the unsaved to punishment in Hell, which all takes place immediately upon his second coming. There is no 1000 year gap. The 1000 years refers to the church age between Day of Pentecost and His second coming.
     
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    No, you are currently in it.
     

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