Change You Can Believe In

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Pastor Larry, Dec 3, 2008.

  1. Pastor Larry

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    Obama shelves oil company tax

    How much you wanna bet that all those people voting for change didn't think the change would be in Obama's policies between the election and inauguration.

    Add this to his tax changes, cabinet/staff appointments, and other decisions, and we see that the only change appears to be that Obama is changing from his campaign promises.
     
  2. KenH

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    The windfall profits tax was predicated on the idea of oil being over $80/bbl. Since oil is under $50/bbl. there is no longer any basis for it.

    By the way, conservatives were compalining that Barack would make radical appointments and have radical policies. Now that he is clearly indicating that he will govern much closer to the center than conservatives thought possible, conservatives are complaining that Barack is not being leftist enough. :laugh:
     
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    It's not the economic or cabinet moves that sway me. It is what he does on the moral issues. Jury has not even been selected yet on that and likely won't be until his 4 years are up.
     
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    We're complaining because he won the highest office in our country based on deceit and lies of "change", when in fact the only change is back to the Clinton administration.

    I hope he does govern from the center on moral issues as well.
     
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    Reference, other thread: Other Christian Denominations: Apostasy
     
  6. KenH

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    Hogwash. But conservatives are free to spend the next four to eight years in political bitterness just as liberals have spent the past eight years.
     
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    It makes no difference what Obama does, many here are like Hannity and Limbaugh, they will complain no matter what Obama does.

    It really doesn't matter, most of the country backs the moves Obama has taken toward building his Cabinet, myself included.
     
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    I hear ya, dragonfly.

    I never bought into the idea that Barack was a radical leftist, regardless of what the National Journal and conservatives said. :)
     
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    I hope they don't, after seeing what it has caused. I'm not for him, but will pray for him and hope he does well, but if he doesn't I'll speak up then.
     
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    How can you rate him on change when he hasn't taken office yet? By the way, the change of President's is a big step forward for me.
     
  11. Pastor Larry

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    There was never any basis for it. It was a bad idea to begin with. Profit as a percentage of revenue was lower than many other companies, but Obama was promoting a windfall tax on those other companies because it wasn't political enough.

    I am glad he is seeing the error of his ways.

    I don't think that has been established at all.

    I am not complaining at all. He is doing what is right. All I am pointing out is that Obama is already bringing change, it just wasn't the kind of change he said he would bring.

    We should be rejoicing in that, not complaining.
     
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    Because he is changing. How can you not rate him on change?

    Probably backwards in some areas, but we will see.
     
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    I am sure some will but what is the point.

    Hey I opposed Obama as much as anyone and I doubt if you can get much to my right (I think Hannity and Rush are moderates:laugh: )

    But you know what, HE WON. The American people have spoken and now he gets he shot. He might turn out to be our best president ever. Of course I am scared and worried but he is MY president too. He deserves my support and prayers even if he doesn't want them.
     
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    Obama hasn't done anything yet. Any comment at this point is mere speculation.
     
  15. Pastor Larry

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    He has changed some of the positions that he campaigned on (which is good ... because they were bad positions).

    Sure you don't think it is "mere speculation" to point out that he said one thing during the campaign and another thing now, do you? That is documentable fact. And again, I would remind that this is a good thing because Obama campaigned on some very bad ideas. But let's at least call it what it is.

    My original point was that those who voted for Obama because of "change" must surely be disappointed because this is not the kind of change they thought they were getting.

    Now, he even agrees with Bush's long held position about the War in Iraq, that we should have a responsible withdrawal, as soon as possible. The Bush adminstration has been saying that for years, and Obama campaigned differently. But now he has changed.

    These are, at least in some cases, good change. But I hardly think it is what his supporters elected him for.
     
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    He won't govern from the center at all unless he ends up with a Republican majority like Clinton did.

    The man is a died in the wool hard core leftist.

    Could be he's smart enough to realize liberal economics won't fix the economy, although there is no proof of that yet either.

    One thing is certain, I have neither \seen nor heard him make any proposals to actually grow the economy or create wealth. All he's done so far is recommend more, then more government spending.

    All the government spending and programs in the world won't bring us out of a recession. Instead, it will make it last longer.
     
  17. I Am Blessed 24

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    I've got my "Don't blame me, I voted for McCain" bumper sticker ready...
     
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    I want him to succeed. Despite the left trying to paint me in a corner of their own hate, I would like to see a thriving economy & no war 6 months after his inauguration.

    Unfortunately, with his campaign promises broken, and with the Clintonites & D.C. insiders he's putting in charge, I know this won't happen. It's the same old tired status quo. He won't end the war, like he promised,

    Maybe Ken & DF aren't complaining, but Obama is angering his base quite a bit. The Kosites & Huffy Puffies are wondering why he kept Bush's defense secretary.......not a good way to show change....
     
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    You accusing him of running a normal campaign for office?
     
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    Sue, for some reason I don't doubt you have such a sticker... :thumbs:
     

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