Changing denominations

Another insightful point -

Well said sir.

in Christ,

Bob

 

Acts 17:11 - in this case the church father would be "Luke"!!

Or do we need someone "ELSE" we trust even less to "interpret Luke for us"??

Just curious.

in Christ,


Bob

 

I think the main doctrine is "spruce up the Church of England" and "God save the King".

 

Matt,

God's best to you & your wife as you continue to seek God's will for your lives. Changing churches - and more so denominations -- can be difficult. I'm sure you've not made this change without considerable searching & much prayer.

In addition to the small groups, good to see your new church supports scouting. My son met some scouts from the UK at scout camp last year & now has a UK neckerchief!

Godspeed, FOS PS -- How far away are you from London?

 

sorry

My mistake, I did not realize he is from England. My apologies. I should have been more informed before I posted. (and reformed too.) I shall try to answer the questions that were posed to me, but as for now I have to go to work. :thumbs: :type:

 

are u pca?

FriendOfSpurgeon are you PCA?

 

How about the particular Baptists in the UK?:thumbs:

 

Yes. Grew up Baptist. Moved to the PCA about 20 years ago. Current church is Old Cutler Pres --- www.ocpc.org.

 

Thats odd, I grew up in PCA and am now Baptist.

 

I guess that means everyone's even.

 

Opc

what do you guys think of the OPC? We are thinking of going to a local Orthodox Presbyterian Church.

 

mattblack

Do you think that the Church Of England will become more liberal or has since Rowan Williams has been the Archbishop?

 

I am a little confused about the relationship with Episcopal church in that case. Please forgive my ignorance about such area.
My friend once attended the conference in commemoration of John Wesley's Conversion, 250th anniversary in 1988, and at that time Queen Elizabeth attended there, and there were many denominations represented and involved in John Wesley such as Methodist, Wesleyan, Episcopal, COE etc. My friend was surprised to see the Queen knelt on her knees when she prayed while other attendants were standing up.
I don't expect the spilt is easy which is much more difficult than the individual change of denominations.

 

I think the main doctrine is "spruce up the Church of England" and "God save the King".

 

Revelation 20
1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;
3 and he threw him into the abyss, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed; after these things he must be released for a short time.

The sequence is clear. In Rev 19 you have the 2nd coming – literal – visible and world wide. The saints are taken at that event (as we saw in 1Thess 4) and the “rest are killed by the sword that came from His mouth” Rev 19.

Rev 20
4 Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls[/b] of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and [b]they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

And they lived (kai ezhsan).
First aorist active indicative of zaw. If the ingressive aorist, it means "came to life" or "lived again" as in 2:8 and so as to verse 20:5.
http://www.studylight.org/com/rwp/view.cgi?book=re&chapter=020&verse=004


John S. C. Abbott and Jacob Abbott
http://www.studylight.org/com/ain/view.cgi?book=re&chapter=020
Rev 20 Verse 4
Beheaded for the witness of Jesus; for the witness which they bore. And they lived; were restored to life. This language has been commonly understood to mean that the martyrs thus raised were to appear upon the earth again; but the place which was to be the scene of their new existence, does not seem to be indicated.

John Gill
http://www.studylight.org/com/geb/view.cgi?book=re&chapter=020&verse=004
Rev 20:4
their souls lived in their bodies, their bodies being raised again, and reunited to their souls, their whole persons lived; or the souls of them that were beheaded lived; that is, their bodies lived again, the soul being sometimes put for the body, (Psalms 16:10) and this is called the first resurrection in the next verse:

Jamieson, Fausset, Brown
http://www.studylight.org/com/jfb/view.cgi?book=re&chapter=020
Rev 20:4
But "souls" expresses their disembodied state (compare Re 6:9) as John saw them at first; "and they lived" implies their coming to life in the body again, so as to be visible, as the phrase, Re 20:5, "this is the first resurrection," proves; for as surely as "the rest of the dead lived not (again) until," &c., refers to the bodily general resurrection, so must the first resurrection refer to the body. This also accords with 1Co 15:23, "They that are Christ's at His coming." Compare Ps 49:11-15. From Re 6:9,

Matthew Henry
Rev 20:4
Verses 4-6 Here is an account of the reign of the saints, for the same space of time as Satan is bound. Those who suffer with Christ, shall reign with him in his spiritual and heavenly kingdom, in conformity to him in his wisdom, righteousness, and holiness: this is called the first resurrection, with which none but those who serve Christ, and suffer for him, shall be favoured. The happiness of these servants of God is declared. None can be blessed but those that are holy; and all that are holy shall be blessed. We know something thing of what the first death is, and it is very awful; but we know not what this second death is. It must be much more dreadful; it is the death of the soul, eternal separation from God. May we never know what it is: those who have been made partakers of a spiritual resurrection, are saved from the power of the second death. We may expect that a thousand years will follow the destruction of the antichristian, idolatrous, persecuting powers

5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.[/quote]

 

Don't mean to hijack this thread, but do any of you Brits (or any other Anglophiles) know the lyrics to the song "God Save the King/Queen"?

The lyrics to the song's melody I know are those of "My Country 'Tis of Thee" (by Baptist minister Samuel Smith), but I really don't think those are the words that people in England are singing when the tune to "God Save the King/Queen" is being played there.

(PM me if anyone out there does know the British lyrics to GSTK/Q so we won't unnecessarily hijack this interesting thread.)