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Changing my mind?

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  1. Priscilla Ann

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    cmg:

    Some of us are not going to vote for Bush because we disagree with his policies and some of the decisions he has made during these past four years. That does not make any of us "Bush-haters".

    Would consider yourself to be "Kerry-hater" or a "Peroutka-hater"?
     
  2. church mouse guy

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    Priscilla Ann, if you want to vote for Kerry, go ahead. We know what his policies will be like at least. As for Peroutka, I think that he is unqualified to be President of the USA. He is nothing but a lawyer in Maryland--no experience, no nothing. His ideas of declaring the war in Iraq illegal and ending it on that basis and of ending all foreign aid to friend and foe alike, as well as other parts of the Constitution Party platform, make Peroutka an extreme right-winger in my book. If you are a right-winger, then let me express my contempt for right-wing ideas. I view the right-wing as a bunch of money-lovers. With the right wing, what you see is what you get: you see nothing and you get nothing. I could go on, Priscilla Ann, but if you are a right-winger, I would not have much need. I would put your personality down as like Mrs. Kerry's except that you would be right instead of left.
     
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    Again, I ask you, cmg, what are you doing to help elect conservative GOP candidates? I am beginning to wonder if you are doing as much as I, a Peroutka supporter, am doing to help elect conservative GOP candidates. [​IMG]
     
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    As far as I know he meets all of the constitutional requirements to be president of these United States. Maybe you need to read the federal constitution again, cmg. :cool:
     
  5. Priscilla Ann

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    I am not a right-winger! Where did you get that idea? Also, how am I like Mrs. Kerry? What does she have to do with anything?

    One of the reasons that I'm NOT voting for Bush is that I'm NOT a "money-lover". Bush's policies, however, do seem to benefit the rich "money-lovers" as they were the ones to benefit most from his tax cuts.
     
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    By the way, I'm not a "left-winger" either!

    pa
     
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    What you are Priscilla Ann is just another Democrat trying to make trouble for Bush on the right wing. That is what power has done for you. You want to use the right wing for your purposes. By the way, Nader's candidacy this year is not serious so he is not going to spoil Kerry's totals as he might have done Gore's totals. But you don't see me advocating that anyone give a second thought to Nader or the Greens. In fact, I enjoy seeing Kerry smash them.

    You want to stir up a fight between the right-wing and the GOP. There already is one. The right-wing will have no use for you if they win just as you will have no use for them if Kerry wins. Sheer cynical necessity: you two need each other right now.

    Frankly, I am glad to see the GOP purged on the right. It plays into Bush's hands. Now I want to see the GOP purged on the left, also. I want liberal Republicans to join Kerry, now and forever, world without end. One thing about liberals is that we can get along without them in our churches and in our government.
     
  8. Priscilla Ann

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    Why are you so bitter?

    Do you believe that George Bush is good for this country and that he is moving this country in the right direction? I do not, and that is the reason I won't vote for him.
     
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    Okay, cmg, thank you for finally admitting that you do not support limited government Republicans. Thank you for admitting that you are a RINO and support bigger government. Now I understand why you are so strident in your opposition to limited government advocates in any political party. :cool:
     
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    But I am not bitter. I am glad that things are moving they way they are. It is progress. Yes, Bush is moving the country in the right direction. Taxes need to be cut much more; the size of the federal government needs to be reduced. If the Democrats won't cut spending, fine--just keep cutting taxes. Sooner or later, people will see that they can manage their own money without the government.

    As for the war against terror, Bush is doing the right thing in opening up a front in the Middle East. A crimanal has been removed from power and a lot of secrets about the French, Germans, and Russians have been exposed. The Arabs are on the defensive.

    Bush is also the best hope to end abortion, something that the Democrats will never do. Bush is also trying to define marriage as one man and one woman, something that the Democrats will never do.
     
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    Bush is moving this country in the right direction? Are you serious? How can we cut taxes more when the deficit has skyrocketed since Bush took office? His new Medicare plan is going to cost much more than he originally estimated. Of course, Bush's friends (the drug companies) will reap the benefits of this plan.

    Is "No Child Left Behind" an example of reducing government? I guess it is if you consider that Bush failed to provide adequate funding so that schools could meet the NCLB requirements.

    It is difficult to believe that Bush cares about the unborn when he clearly does not care about the poor, the sick, the elderly or the children in our public schools. You seem to believe that Bush and the Republicans are the best hope overturning Roe vs. Wade, but remember that Republicans have had control of the White House for 20 of the last 32 years, yet abortion is still legal.

    Is this country really better off than it was four years ago?

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    The Democrats have had control of the Congress for about the last 30 years. The American People have voted for gridlock. The Democrats are not about to repeal abortion or allow pro-life judges on the bench if they have to pull every dirty trick in the book.

    But Bush followed Reagan's way around gridlock. Forget the deficits--and it is amusing to hear Democrats talk about deficits--and cut the taxes.

    What you want is what Kerry wants--government control of the drug companies and price controls. In other words, you want to nationalize Eli Lilly here in Indianapolis. That is the reason that Kerry is behind by 18 points in Indiana. And the whole idea of giving prescriptions to the elderly was a Democrat idea. Bush should have means tested it. Imagine Bill Gates eligible for prescriptions from the federal government! What garbage! And it should be an insurance plan.

    Sure Bush went ape liberal in education. But then Teddy Kennedy lied to Bush about allowing vouchers to be tested, too. But then Teddy lied about Mary Jo, too. So we will consider Bush's expensive foray into education as a mistake because, as you prove, it did not win him any respect from the Democrats and it was a doublecross of his base.

    Of course, the Democrats want to keep abortion legal. The poor, the sick, the elderly that the Democrats talk about are their voters. Everyone else is out of the loop. The Democrats want more government and a bigger welfare state. The Democrats have taken the best school system in the industrialized world and turned it into the worse following John Dewey and his socialistic ideas. The Democrats have introduced the "look-say" method of reading so that the reading levels fall year in and year out. A few years ago, we had the new math. Now the Democrats in the teachers' unions want to teach same-sex sex is okay but carrying a copy of the Scripture to school is a federal crime with a penalty worse than murder.

    Are we better off than we were 4 years ago? We are rid of the Zipper and his sidekick. However, we were attacked and the devestation to the economy was massive. We are now in a major war. If we change horses in the middle of a stream, it will be a setback because the ultra-liberal Kerry is inferior in character and ideology to Bush.
     
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    Ken, take the books out of the microwave! You are out of balance! Not support limited government? You should see the mess in state government under Bayh and then O'Bannon. We have one state employee for every box of paper clips and we have paper clips by the trillions. A rhino? That is like saying that my folks weren't married--they were. See, Ken, after you leave the two major parties, we are going to throw out McCain and all of the lefties into the Green Party because they are green with jealousy. Then we are going to have a pure GOP with no far out types on the right and on the left. Have a nice time, Ken, in obsecurity.
     
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    cmg:

    If this race is about character, Bush is not your man! He was not honest about WMD, the Medicare bill, or his National Guard service, among other things.

    When Bush was first elected, I thought, "Well, he says he's a Christian...how bad can he be?" I never dreamed that a man who proclaims himself to be a Christian would lack integrity as he does. If he is truly a Christian, shouldn't he be held to a higher standard?

    If you can rationalize your support for Bush in spite of the last four years, then I guess he really can do no wrong in your eyes, can he?

    cmg, however this election turns out, God will still be in control. The United States has survived in spite of presidents like Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton. I'm sure we'll even survive another four years of George Bush if that happens.
     
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    Caring for the sick, the poor, and the elderly... You see that as frivolous and unnecessary? Where I come from, we call it "compassion". Have you heard of it?
     
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    CMG, I'm still waiting for you to back up what you accused me of. Surely, you will not run and hide; surely you are man enough to back up what you say, right?
     
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    Have you seen how well the conservatives have been doing during the past month in the GOP primaries. There may be hope that the GOP can be rescued from you and your liberal buddies yet, cmg. :cool:
     
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    Terry,

    Apparently, church mouse guy is too busy bashing conservatives, even GOP conservatives, to answer your challenge. :cool:
     
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    Do Democrats ever get tired? Bush acted on the best available information worldwide. The Medicare bill was bad because it should have turned the poor over to private insurance companies with the government paying the bill. The National Guard stuff is silly. He can fly a plane, can't he?

    Sure, you Democrats are more clever. You work the Congress like a used-car salesman works a lot in Indianapolis.

    Your man Kerry says that he is a devout Catholic but he doesn't wear his religion on his sleeve and he still advocates abortion on demand.

    Really, Priscilla Ann, if you read what I wrote about Bush, you would find that he did a lot of wrong in my eyes--specifically, he passed a lot of liberal junk in education and welfare.

    The point about the sick, the poor, and the elderly, is that your compassion ends at party's edge. It is the Democrats that one wants to escape. Here in Indianapolis, the poor are provided for by Township Trustees, County Welfare, and private charity. The sick get Medicaid or medical attention from Indiana University School of Medicine at the County hospital. The elderly get Social Security from the federal government and subsidized housing as well as other welfare programs designed for the elderly. Their needs are met. Many elderly on subsidized housing actually live better than the working poor who have expensive, inferior private housing.

    The Democrats are running out of issues. They want to go down the road started by FDR of more and more government and higher and higher taxes. They want to end the war on terror and try to buy time from the OBLs of the world. I am old enough to remember better times. In the late 1940s the tax rate on the middle class was only about ten percent. It needs to be dropped to that rate again. Big government is really just socialism.
     
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    Then why do you attack those who advocate limited government, cmg? Can you ever answer straightforwardly a question asked of you? I have yet to see you do so on any question asked of you, by Terry or anyone else.
     
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