Characteristics of the Modern Baptist Church

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  1. AVBunyan

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    After being involved with Baptist churches for over 20 years I have made some observations. Being an Independent Baptist attending the same Independent Baptist church for over 20 years gives me some credentials to make these observations. Understand that I love the Independent Baptists and have chosen to align myself with them for I believe a BALANCED Independent Baptist church is the most scripture work around these days, in my worthless opinion. Despite this we have our issues we need to deal with. The list is not positive – I could list the positives but the purpose here is to point out the areas needing work. I attend a small work and my preacher has been seeking to wean us from these characteristics for years and is still plowing up the ground.

    Again, GENERALLY speaking not all are guilty of all – some more than others. If none of the below applies then praise God for your church! If your church wrestles with some of the below then I trust God will lead you out of them.

    Now, lets get on with the show!

    1. By placing such an emphasis on soul winning (a good thing) in the preaching services many saints are suffering from spiritual malnutrition.

    2. By trying to involve families with so many programs and activities during the week at church the families don’t have time to be families in their own homes where the real growth and practical outworking is to take place.

    3. By trying to build big works to bring in people they compromise and lean towards worldly methods to build those big works.

    3. By placing an emphasis on building big works they lose the concept of building “big” spiritual lives in their people.

    4. By placing such an emphasis on world missions (a good thing) sometimes they forget the workplace and their own neighborhoods are the best mission fields.

    5. By placing such emphasis on preacher led churches with large paid staffs the people in the pew think that the paid staff and the preacher are to the do most of the work of the ministry and not themselves thus the work suffers.

    6. By seeking to distance their church services from the errors and false experiences of the charismatic churches the Baptist services have gone to the extreme where their services lack the excitement and the praise a corporate worship service should have.

    7. By having so many children’s programs and children services during the main services families become separated during the main worship services so again the family suffers.

    8. By placing such an emphasis on separation (a good thing today) many (especially Independent Baptist) have become somewhat legalistic and have forgotten the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free from the law.

    9. By seeking to place an emphasis on sound doctrine the heart gets left out.

    Now, these are a few that come to mind. Again, not all churches are guilty. Some are more infested than others. I know this sounds negative but if we expect to be what God has called us to be then we need cleansing. I remind you – my own church has been guilty of the above and still is but we are striving to work these issues out with the aid of a preacher who is concerned for his people and the work of the ministry.

    May God bless
     
  2. Rooster

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    AVBunyan, Great post! I left a church in my area for most of the same reasons(Faith Baptist) this church is more of a cult, if the Pastor (James Johnston) wanted everyone to drink striknyde laced punch, most the members would. They are also what I reffer to as "pew packers" more interested in how many pews they can pack, and not how many they can reach the Gosple to. Unfortunately it turns people off tp God, and they don't go to church because they are affraid of the the "cult" mentality, and think all churches are like that. It is important to remember that God is faithful to us, and we should come to his house and worship him "keep the sabbath holy" and give to God our time, and tithes, because he is so faithful to give them to us, but our salvation does not depend on it. The Pastor has "elected his family for all the duties, and jobs in the church, moving some of them on the church proprty as well (rent free). I better stop before I get to wraped up in this, I pray to God that I will find forgivness for James Johnston, I just get soo upset at people that mock God, and I know it not my job to be judge jury and executioner, this is were I need prayer, and fall short of Gods Glory myself.
     
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    If the emphasis is on sound doctrine, then why are people suffering from spiritual malnutrition?
     
  4. AVBunyan

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    If the emphasis is on sound doctrine, then why are people suffering from spiritual malnutrition? </font>[/QUOTE]You are right - I could have explained that better -
    Sometimes the doctrine is there but the application of it is not there - I guess I'm trying to say the doctrine becomes a bit cold and the heart gets left out - I understand sound doctrine should produce a heart but it appears we have much facts of the doctrine but it just doesn't get to the heart.

    Appreciate you calling this to my attention.

    God bless
     
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    "1. By placing such an emphasis on soul winning (a good thing) in the preaching services many saints are suffering from spiritual malnutrition."
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    The sermons of our junior pastor suffer a little from that. They all seem to be a bit more suitable for a revival meeting, than for our sundaymorning service. Many of the folks that show up on sundaymorning have been saved years ago, they already know that Jezus has died for their sins.
     
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    Agreed...I once heard a preacher say, "most Baptists are scared to death of the Holy Spirit." My brothers, this should not be! It's gotten so that we haven't sung hymn number 242 in years, for fear of endorsing the Pentacostals!

    (Anyone care to guess the title of hymn number 242?)
     
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    Pentacostal Power?

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    I would say that it qualifies you to pass judgement on your own Baptist Church.

    I see very little that characterizes my own independent Baptist Church. Anecdotal at best, but I do agree with you on one level. Before finding the church we are now members of, we visited around 30 churches within a 25 min drive of my house. All but 2 were Baptist churches (and the 2 that weren't were more Baptist than some that were if you take my meaning) And we did see many churches that exhibited some or all of the list above. It saddened me deeply, but I was encouraged to find 3 very solid Baptist churches that I would have been comfortable joining within about 15 min drive. That is a rare thing for most of the U.S. Finding a balanced fundamental ministry can be tough. The pendulum swings far in both directions.
     
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    Bugman: Yep, that's the one!
     
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    Agreed...I once heard a preacher say, "most Baptists are scared to death of the Holy Spirit." My brothers, this should not be! It's gotten so that we haven't sung hymn number 242 in years, for fear of endorsing the Pentacostals!

    (Anyone care to guess the title of hymn number 242?)
    </font>[/QUOTE][​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] :D anyone who knows my background, knows why I'm laughing...
     

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