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Discussion in 'News / Current Events' started by poncho, Sep 22, 2016.
WARNING: "Peaceful protesters" use a small amount of "adult language" in this video.
PMSNBC lies again, not exactly news, but it's a shame to see what's going on in Charlotte. Why won't they release that tape they have of this incident?
I know it wouldn't probably do any good to thwart the rioters, but IF it shows the deceased had a gun, they are going to lose the PR battle here.
Soros paid about 1000 people at the peak last night to show up - BLM doesn't come cheap in any sense of the word. But it's not going to help Hillary like it helped Obama four years ago.
The whole narrative about black victimization is an enduring myth. The opposite is true.
Some black folks thought they could take advantage of any opportunity to savage the community. It's open season on whites. And it's a chance to get a lot of free stuff -- stuff like hair weaves, flat screen TVs and whatever else they can take from "the man.".
Meanwhile the 2013 FBI crime report states in percentages:
Whites killed by blacks : 9.83
Blacks killed by whites : 0.77
Whites killed by whites : 10.22
Blacks killed by blacks : 53.94
I have to wholeheartedly disagree with your statement that "black victimization is an enduring myth." What makes you say that? The few data points that you posted?
I can't and won't justify the horrible acts of the people that aren't peacefully protesting. But, they don't represent every black person in the world. I am a former police officer for the City of St. Louis, and the reason that I left the department was because of the racial profiling and out right criminal activity that police officers perpetrated against citizens, mainly black people. One of the current examples is of an officer who initiated a trumped up pursuit and then attempted to plant a gun on the suspect. The black police officer's association of St. Louis also released a study based on the department's own data that showed that there is a disparity in how blacks are policed versus whites.
Obviously, I don't think all police are bad, but there is too much data from multiple streams that shows that black people are treated and viewed differently than whites. Unfortunately, this has been one of the legacies of our country.
I appreciate the fact that you give a few data points, but there is much more data that shows that "black victimization" is real and is still practiced today. And, yes, I am black. And, no, I'm not a democrat. I'm a republican. And, yes, I am a former SBC pastor.
From White out press
Crime.................................................... White Black Hispanic Indian/Eskimo Pacific Isl.
Murder and non negligent manslaughter 11.2% 55.3% 29.4% 0.0% 4.1%
Now some will say that Blacks are more likely to be arrested -
The question is why.
Did you know that men are arrested for 90% of all murders. But (with your quote paraphrased)
"but there is much more data that shows that "male victimization" is real and is still practiced today."
Thanks for your response. I did know the 90% info. And, in many ways, I do agree with the idea that there is much more "male victimization" going on.
As part of this discussion, I do have to acknowledge that whenever we start discussing criminal statistics, or statistics of how men are victimized, we have to realize that there are multiple sources to get data to back up each of our claims, but our sources typically present data in a way that supports one particular view/stance. So, for every data point that I post, you will be able to find one that counters what I have said, and vice versa.
As to your statement/question about why black males are arrested more, I can only answer from my experience as a police officer for five years. Many of those years were during a time when St. Louis was consistently ranked as one of the top five most dangerous cities in the US. For two of those years, the neighborhood that I patrolled was the worst neighborhood in the City of St. Louis. And for multiple of those years, the specific area that I patrolled was the worst area in the City.
Black males are arrested for multiple reasons. There are two consistent reasons from my experience. One, they commit crimes and that leads to them getting arrested (rightfully so). Two, they get profiled and/or falsely accused of a crime and are arrested. I saw both happen on a daily basis. What ultimately led to me leaving the department was the fact that I testified in federal court against my partner for planting drugs on people and stealing money from them. He subsequently spent five years in a federal facility. Again, I'm not saying that all police do this, but more do than we generally think.
With all that has been said on this thread, do you all think profiling is good or bad? Hypothetical: in my city guys who wear blue shirts commit 78% of all crimes. What happens when we see a guy in a blue shirt? We get suspicious don't we, we walk on the other side of the street, we keep an eye on them, we don't trust them, and we want our police to question them to see what they are up to. Is this OK?
I never said that black males are arrested more.
My whole point is that people complain that blacks are arrested more than whites,
yet no one complains that men are more likely to be arrested than women.
Of course, then the usual response is that men commit more crimes. I will then mention - yea, thats right - think on that for a moment.
Terell, Thank you for mentioning your history with the police dept. That experience certainly qualifies you to make a valid judgement.
The best thing I can comment, is that I used to work in a C-store. I was the victim of a robbery, as well as several "beer runs"* and other such events . Each incident included at least one black person. (disclaimer- NO, I am NOT saying all Blacks are like those very few bad apples.
* Where 2 or more people come in - - one distracts the clerk and the other(s) run off with 1 or 2 cases of beer.
Which most likely has nothing to do with skin color as much as it does .....that is where the crime is.
Who Is Behind The Riots? Charlotte Police Says 70% Of Arrested Protesters Had Out Of State IDs
Confirming what many had suspected when viewing the sudden and intense collapse into anarchy that occurred in Charlotte this week, Todd Walther, spokesman for the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Fraternal Order of Police told CNN's Erin Burnett:
"This is not Charlotte that's out here. These are outside entities that are coming in and causing these problems.These are not protestors, these are criminals."
"We've got the instigators that are coming in from the outside. They were coming in on buses from out of state. If you go back and look at some of the arrests that were made last night. I can about say probably 70% of those had out-of-state IDs. They're not coming from Charlotte."
Continue . . . http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...says-70-arrested-protesters-had-out-state-ids
George Soros is behind all of this. He pays BLM millions to do all the violence. What Soros, Hillary and Obama want is civil unrest so that martial law can be implemented. Our sovereignty as a nation is being undermined. Foreign powers will bring it under their complete control if Hillary gets in office. She is their puppet.
Black criminality has been raging for years. Black racism for whites is red-hot.
Black home invasions are prolific. Black rapes of white women --ditto.
The knockout "game" has been going on for years.
Flash mobs of black youths in Memphis and the Inner City Harbor of Baltimore --just to cite two examples. They have no qualms of assaulting the elderly --robbing them --destroying property.
County Fairs around the country have "Get Whitey Nights."
Violence galore. Whites and Asians are the victims. Occasionally Latinos are the prey of these conscience-deprived beasts.
The media does a good job of hiding the need information from an unsuspecting white and Asian public. And they mustn't mention that the perpetrators are black. No, that would be a cardinal sin.
It has been increasing in America and picking up steam in Canada, England, Australia --and of course South Africa.
The time has long since past when the truth has to be told. Many young blacks --both male and female are savages. They are wrecking our civilization. By "our" I mean for law-abiding blacks and people of every hue in our country.
Six percent of the American population are criminals --arrested or not.
They resist arrest. They won't even show ID to police officers when pulled over. They are abusive even when met with extreme politeness and patience.
Police must be allowed to police or the thin fabric on top of the volcano will blow sky high. That fabric is all that remains of a semblance of law and order.
I keep up to date on most of what is happening in America. I would say I am better informed than many or most Americans. And I thank God that I live in safety here in China.
WARNING: Adult language ahead.
Sola Saint, as an officer, I was trained to profile people. Whether they were black or white. The goal was to see if that person “fit” the area/circumstances they were in. I write about it in a book that I wrote called Walking the Blue Line: A Police Officer Turned Community Activist Provides Solutions to the Racial Divide. I’m not trying to shill the book, but this subject is something that I regularly write and talk about. You can see my thoughts and experiences with profiling at http://www.stlamerican.com/news/col...cle_4ea5ff44-b266-11e4-8900-eb1d73f9c68a.html. I practiced profiling. It can be a useful tool when applied correctly and consistently. The unfortunate reality is that it isn’t and is primarily used as a tool against certain people.
Salty, my intent wasn’t to misquote you, but I was responding to your statement, “Now some will say that Blacks are more likely to be arrested - The question is why.” The way that sentence reads is that you are specifically talking about black males. If that wasn’t your intent, forgive my misunderstanding. Also, it’s unfortunate that you experienced those things at the C-Store, but I can give examples of the opposite that have occurred in my personal and professional life. For example, I have seen multiple white men placing KKK paraphernalia on homes in my neighborhood, should those few men serve as the example for all white men that I encounter in my life?
Revmitchell, the study released by the Ethical Society of Police showed the opposite. Not that crime was higher in black neighborhoods, but that police responded differently in how they handled the same crimes that occurred in each type of neighborhood. There are multiple unbiased studies that show that crime occurs at a similar rate in both neighborhoods, but police are less likely to arrest or cite whites when they commit the same crimes, or even worse crimes, as a black person.
Poncho, as I said in an earlier post, I don’t condone rioting or any illegal behavior. I acknowledge that some people see this as an opportunity to riot, loot, and cause mayhem. And, yes, the unfortunate reality is that people are planted within these demonstrations specifically to wreak havoc. This has been true since the days of Martin Luther King. For example, when he began to try to lead peaceful marches in Memphis, TN to help sanitation workers, black youth were recruited and paid by the FBI to start fights and destroy property. This has been verified by FBI documents and recordings. I’m not saying that the FBI is involved in the current protests or trying to set rabble rousers in them. What I am saying is that multiple people benefit from the destruction that’s occurring in North Carolina. And, yes, multiple people are being hurt by what’s happening there, as well. And, no, I’m not a fan of Soros, either.
Rippon, the comment about Hillary and Obama, and your final post come across as foolish. That isn’t a personal attack against you, but I say this because your comments seem to come from a place that’s dark and misguided. Obviously, I don’t know you or your life experience and I respect that you have this opinion, but I also wholeheartedly disagree with it. I don’t expect everyone to like each other, but on a board that represents Christ’s body and perpetuates thinking that is founded on Christ’s love, none of it lines up. Again, this isn’t an attack against you, but is in response to the statements that make it seem as if you feel that blacks are “other” and they are the only people that do the things that you have outlined.
It reminds me of propaganda that has been used throughout the years to separate people and to build caste systems. On a whole, verified by statistics, whites commit more crimes than blacks. Yes, certain pockets of black communities do commit certain crimes that get more television publicity (Chicago, Detroit, St. Louis, and Baltimore for example), but they by no means represent the vast majority of black people in the nation. Just as in the example I mentioned above, yes there are people who are still in the KKK, but they don’t represent the vast majority of people in the world or our nation.
Terrell, first off, I was going to say welcome to the board, but evidently you're a long time / little post member. I don't know how much you lurk, or how much you've seen, but let me point you to this: http://www.baptistboard.com/threads/statistics-dont-and-cant-lie.101121/
Before I go further, let me say that I have a heart for inner city youth of any color. I have been in talks with different professors of mine, and when I graduate I will be placed in a "high needs" school to teach science and/or math. "High needs" in this context will most likely land me in a "poor school". To continue my train of thought, I believe that crime is generally a result of income and culture. In other words, low income and a culture where jail time gives you "street cred" leads to more crime. This affects people of any color.
However, if you read my comments in the thread I linked (not just the first post, as I explained more fully later), black people tend to congregate in the poor areas with that type of culture. I give the stats for where the majority of black people live in the thread. This means that the percentage of black people who are exposed to this poverty and culture is far, far greater than that of white people; naturally leading to a greater percentage of black people committing crime than white people.
The problem here, is that since 13% of the population is accountable for 36.9% of the violent crime, that there are only 3 options. The first is that black people are simply more predisposed to crime. I reject this, as I believe that all Christians should. The second is that police are arresting blacks at a rate of 3x more than they are committing crimes. I reject that as well; there are most likely places where this is happening, but this number comes across all of America, and there's no way that all police are doing that. The third, and only viable option in my mind, is that it comes down to culture and income.
Well, then Terrell, you are either plainly uninformed or are in denial.
It is an obvious fact that black crime is way over the top proportionate to their percentage of the population. Please try to factually refute anything I said in my post number 12.
I would like you to furnish where I can find some videos of whites beating up blacks since the 1970s at least. I would like to see any home invasions, flash mobs of whites against blacks, proof of witness intimidation etc. You know, things like that.
As far as I know, there has been one, and only one case of a white doing the knockout game against a black person. Al Sharpton was quick on the trigger to address that crime. But he conveniently neglects the hundreds of white victims of that savage "game" by black perpetrators.
By the way, the other day an Asian woman in Georgia had an experience you may be interested in. A few black thugs came in to rob her. They were armed. But, she was as well. She killed one and may have wounded at least another. Asians are waking up to this phenomenon. They won't be soft targets much longer. Whites have to do the same re-orientation.
Sapper Woody, thanks for semi-welcoming me. I actually visit the board 2-3 times a week. I have made minimal posts up to this point because I didn't necessarily see the need to/felt so passionate about a subject that I needed to post/respond. In general, I understand that not everyone is going to read/interpret the Bible in the exact same way, and as long as we agreed on the fundamentals, I just tried to enjoy the dialogue and mental gymnastics. This was the first post that brought me to that point.
I disagree with your statement about blacks "congregating" in specific areas. The implies that throughout our nations history, they have had the option of where they would live. It has been well documented that red-lining has been practiced, and still, is in many areas, affecting where minority cultures can/are able to live. Obviously, if a person doesn't make enough money to live in a particular area, it isn't an option for them. Also, to your statement, "The second is that police are arresting blacks at a rate of 3x more than they are committing crimes. I reject that as well." Again, there are multiple studies that show that this is true, even outside my experience as a police officer. Here is a link to a christian blog that cites multiple statistics and the studies that show where the data was accumulated. http://www.jbwtucker.com/ultimate-w...&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=socialnetwork. I don't necessarily agree with his comments surrounding the whole discussion. I mention the blog because it has a vast outline of the statistics and the sources where they were derived from. I also disagree that there are only three viable options to consider. There are multiple more options for why a group of people is influenced to do/believe any given thing, including this subject. Blessings to you as you complete your studies and prepare to begin to teach a new generation of students.
Rippon, we can go round and round where I provide videos of white people attacking black people in other ways than the knockout game. Although whites may not participate in the knock out game at the same rate as blacks, they commit other heinous crimes/play other games that blacks don't necessarily participate in. I can provide you copies of police reports that I wrote where white people committed home invasions on black people. I can also provide you with reports that I have written about white people burning crosses, stealing from, raping, etc. black people. I can also provide the same as it relates to white people against Asians, Vietnamese, Burmese, Native American, Bosnian and many other nationalities. But I don't think that will move your opinion one bit.
I responded to your original post because it came across as if you believed/felt that one particular group of people is almost irredeemable. I understand that nothing that I say, even bolstered with statistics or facts, will change your thoughts/feelings. You will continue to provide anecdotal evidence that will continue a circular argument. As I said earlier, I don't know you. I don't wish you any ill will. I'm just shocked that this attitude is displayed on a christian board. Before it gets said, this type of attitude that I'm referring to is probably expressed against white people on other boards that are primarily visited by black people. That's why I don't visit/frequent those boards.
Wow! There is nothing about this post that is true.
What a fantastic contribution to a good conversation. Sizzling hot take there Rev.
EXCLUSIVE: WaPo, NYT Lead Trend Of Emphasizing Race Of White Officer, Burying Race Of Black Officer
The New York Times and The Washington Post bury police officers’ race when they are black, but rush to highlight race when the officer happens to be white, an analysis of two similar cases by The Daily Caller News Foundation shows.
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On the Charlotte shooting, TheDCNF examined 14 random articles from The Washington Post. Only 14 percent of the articles sampled mentioned that the officer involved was black. The other 86 percent of articles ignored the officer’s race, but mentioned that the victim was black.
Continue . . . http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/25/e...-white-officer-burying-race-of-black-officer/