From the role of the wife thread: Shane, a person is chastised because of their sin, not by their sin. Perhaps this is what you meant? But, how do you know that this man is not being chastened? You have no way of knowing what God is doing in this man's life. Do you believe that chastening is a quick process, like a spanking, and then it's done? Experience will tell you that God often spends years turning back a disobedient son. You simply haven't lived long enough to have seen this for yourself. I also would appreciate your views on whether a son can ignore the chastening of a father with view to how God chastens us.