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Discussion in 'Politics' started by poncho, Jul 7, 2006.
Just Another Day In The Empire , during the "summer of fear" 2006.
All those who are chatting away in chat rooms or posting threads on message boards about destroying America for the jihad should be turned in to the FBI.
I just wonder what these jihadists would do if they did take over the world. Was thinking about that today. They will have killed all the infidels and Jews so that would leave no one to invent things or work to produce an income or buy their oil. They really aren't too bright.
Well now that you have the attention of the FBI and CIA I just wanted to say, Hi guys!:thumbs:
Since when is chatting a crime? What happened to freedom of speach?
Just chatting is NOT a crime. Acting on those plans would be. But there is a difference.
There's more to the story now.
All these so called "terror busts" seem to be falling apart right after the first scarey headlines are put in print. I suspect most of these "jihadists" either work directly for an intelligence agency or are being duped by one or more of them. Go back and look at how many "Al Qeada" terrorists have been linked to one agency or another in the past. Most all of them.
Look at the so called "new Al Qeada grand poobah" in Iraq [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Abu Hamza al-Muhajir [/FONT]just appointed by Osama's ghost, he's reportedly in an jail cell in Egypt.
Soon as Egypt returns our calls and emails we'll let ya know. :laugh: In the meantime the best thing you can do for your country is remain scared and keep giving up your liberties and don't question "the authorities, the officials, the higher powers", AKA...your public servants.
Well, you certainly can't use the word "bomb" when you are waiting to board an airplane. And you can't use yell "fire" when in a movie theater. People making plots to blow up US and Canadian targets on chat rooms have been arrested before crimes have been done. And we have been known to use the power of "pre-emption" to justify going to war. No, chatting is not a crime, but threatening to destroy our Nation in a chat room should be a crime. Have you ever visited any muslim chat rooms or message boards? I have. And I can tell you there is PLENTY of it going on out there in cyberspace. I've also reported a few websites and chatters to authorities.
Also, is it a crime if someone threatens to kill you or your family on a message board or chat room, or is that protected under freedom of speech? Get my point?
It's a different world now. It's not the world of Leave it to Beaver anymore.
Well, there may be alot of talk like that going on in cyberspace and there may be people stupid enough to make plans of that sort in chat rooms that they know are being monitored by the "authorities" if they aren't in fact the authorities themselves doing the talking and convincing idiots in these chat rooms to make the plans in the first place. If "Al Qeada" or anyone else is going to make plans against anyone on an internet chat room I can only conclude that they've drank too much flouridated water and have become completely retarded if they haven't started out that way.
The PTB are having a hard time propagandizing populations through their mass media because of the readily available information on the internet. They would like nothing better than to shut it down so they can once again have control of information and therefore what we think. People that are free to think and exchange ideas and information are a bigger threat to them and their hold on power than all the "jihadists" chatting in the world.
The real internet terrorists that worry the "authorities" so much are the bloggers and unembedded reporters that the "authorities" have no control over, like for instance Kurt Nimmo and his blog Another Day In The Empire or Dahr Jamail's Iraq Dispatchesand others.
Latest snipit from Kurt Nimmo...
Pentagon Trolls Blogosphere for “Actionable” Data
Saturday July 08th 2006, 8:47 am
It is now obvious Total Information Awareness, renamed Terrorism Information Awareness, didn’t go away, as reported in September, 2003, but lived on in the murky depths of the intelligence and military community, in particular at the offices of the Advanced Research and Development Activity, or ARDA, run out of the NSA at Fort Meade, Maryland.
“The whole congressional action looks like a shell game,” Steve Aftergood of the Federation of American Scientists told the Associated Press on February 23, 2004. “There may be enough of a difference for them to claim TIA was terminated while for all practical purposes the identical work is continuing.” It was, even with the lukewarm protestation of Congress and civil libertarians, an idea too good to simply chuck by the wayside.
Read the full post
IMHO all the hoopla about internet terrorists and the like is just more of the same, demonization of anything that isn't "official" coming from "official sources". Setting us up for the time when all information will once again be controlled by the elite globalist control freaks and their "official" talking heads.
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Sources say no serious plot for NYC, just hate chatter
[/FONT]One former intelligence field officer says, and two other CIA officials confirm, that the alleged plot by Muslim extremists to bomb the Holland Tunnel in New York City was nothing more than chatter by unaffiliated individuals with no financing or training in an open forum already monitored extensively by the United States Government, RAW STORY has learned.
“The so-called New York tunnel plot was a result of discussions held on an open Jihadi web site,” said Philip Giraldi, a former CIA officer and contributor to American Conservative magazine, in a late Friday afternoon conversation. Although Giraldi acknowledges that the persons involved – “three of whom have already been arrested in Lebanon and elsewhere - are indeed extremists," their online chatter is considerably overblown by allegations of an actual plot.
“They are not professionally trained terrorists, however, and had no resources with which to carry out the operation they discussed," Giraldi added. "Despite press reports that they had asked Abu Musab Zarqawi for assistance, there is no information to confirm that. It is known that the members discussed the possibility of approaching Zarqawi but none of them knew him or had any access to him.”
Two other intelligence officials with experience in the field on extremist operations concurred--and expressed concern that what could have been an operation to eventually track known extremists (should they eventually make actual contact with funds and training,) seems to have been exposed for political gain.
Some see this latest “ploy” as a direct challenge to a New York Times report earlier this week of the disbandment of Alec Station, the CIA unit responsible for tracking Osama bin Laden since before the September 11, 2001 attacks. Moreover, the article contends that officials say the unit was “disbanded late last year and its analysts reassigned within the C.I.A. Counterterrorist Center.”
“In sum, the plot, if that is what we would call it, was not well conceived, and there was no possibility of flooding Wall Street," Giraldi added. "There was no connection to a cell in the US. Finally, professional terrorists generally do not discuss targeting on open channels. As it was being monitored from the beginning of the open discussion, there was little chance anything concrete would have developed."
Freedom of Speech has been overruled by the Patriot Act.
Well, when our FBI/CIA actually catch a smart terrorist, then I'll be impressed.
These last two cases, the perpetrators(if they can be called that) were dumber than mud. Anyone who believes that water can roll up hill in order to make a flood, doesn't have the intellecutual capability to carry out an attack of this magnitude.
What I'd really like to know is what is being planned while our security organizations waste their time busting idiots? It's the quiet, smart terrorists you have to worry about and they won't be posting on any chat room.
Some of the 09/11 hijackers didn't know how to land a plane, either. Dumber than mud.
Hmmm, CIA trained highjackers? Naw. Our government would never even think of running a false flag terror campaign. Let alone carry one out.
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The 911 hijackers didn't need to how to land a plane or even get one up in the air. All they needed to know was how to aim the plane in the direction of the towers.
They were not dumb at all and managed to put their plans into effect without so much as a sideways glance from our "security" agencies who thought the tips that came in weren't "credible".
These same agencies who now tell us they need to be able to listen to our phone conversations and read our e-mail and such stuff in order to keep us safe, and they still can't catch a perpetrator with enough sense to know that water doesn't roll uphill? I am not impressed.
But it's not necessarily the fault of the guys actually out there doing the work. I doubt they expect me to be impressed. I even doubt that they are impressed with themselves. This case would have never made it to the national news level if Bush's numbers weren't so low. Neither would have the Miami case.
When the FBI/CIA/NSA or whoever, comes up with a case where it can be shown that the suspects involved had the intelligence, the means (financial), the connections and the will to carry out a plan of this magnitude then I'll be impressed.
The rest of these suspects are just smucks with big mouths and are being used to bolster the idea that we are actually accomplishing something with the use of the Patriot Act and in doing so give Bush a push up in the polls.