China arrests 100 young Christians

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  1. JGrubbs

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    Chinese authorities arrested 100 Christian young people as part of the government's continuing crackdown on churches outside state control.

    The Christians had been meeting for a Bible study in Langfang City, Hebei province, when police abruptly arrived and arrested everyone present, according to the U.S.-based monitor Voice of the Martyrs, or VOM.

    The young people, in the sixth through twelfth grade, were taken into custody, interrogated and released.

    The students were told to stop meeting together with other Christians and not attend unregistered religious activities, VOM said.

    All Protestant and Catholic churches in China are required to be under control of the government, and groups that do not register – the vast majority – are included in the list of "illegal cults."

    In a separate incident, 10 pastors were arrested during a baptism service in Sui County, Hunan province, on July 1, according to VOM.

    The Christians had gathered to baptize 60 new believers in a service led by Pastor Wan Bao De.

    Ten church leaders were arrested at the scene and given 15 days of "administrative detention.”

    The pastors were released July 15 and forced to pay a fine of 200 to 300 Yuan, about $25 to $36. But police officers refused to provide a receipt for the money.

    "If you are unhappy (about not getting a receipt)," police said, "you can take us to court."

    Wan Bao De was first arrested April 25, 1999. He was beaten severely by Public Security Bureau officers at the time of that arrest, and was fined 2000 Yuan, about $250, before eventually being released.

    VOM says the arrests are part of widespread persecution across China, which seems to have intensified in recent months.

    Source: WorldNetDaily
     
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    Please provide a credible objective news source. WND does not qualify. You know I'm not the only one on this board who is aware of that.

    I'm not questioning the issue of China and state-approved churches. I have simply learned from the past that WND very often does not accurately or wholely report events.

    I'm also curious: If China broke up, say, 100 Muslims studying the Koran, would you consider that an oppression of human rights?

    Also, do you consider Germany's ban on the practice of Scientology, or Germany's ban on Muslim women teachers wearing headscarves in schools a violation of human rights?

    [ July 27, 2005, 01:00 PM: Message edited by: Johnv ]
     
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    Please provide a list of credible objective news sources, Johnv.
     
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    TO name a few, anything from the Associated Press, Fox News, or BBC, for starters.
     
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    WorldNetDaily is a credible news source, if you would have read the story you would have found that they are reporting information from U.S.-based monitor Voice of the Martyrs, which is a credible ministry that keeps track of Christian persecution around the world.

    Just because you don't like WorldNetDaily doesn't mean they are not credible. With any news source you should always read the news understanding that every story has the bias of the author, and if the story sounds too good to be true, then you can check the facts yourself.
     
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    WND never goes so far as to print inaccurate facts, however, there have been several instances pointed out on this bb where WND either failed to give all teh facts, or presented the facts in a manner different from what actually transpired.

    As far as VoM, I have no quarrel with VoM. They're a worthy organization. However, they are not an objective news agency. They are a ministry, and I treat their information in the same manner as Christianity Today (which I subscribe to, btw).
     
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    Well, Johnv, you can ignore the news from WND. Some of us find it more credible than the BBC which issued a ban on using the word "terrorist" describe the London bombings.

    I'm glad there are ministries such as the VOM to keep us posted on abuses of Christians around the world, and there are probably more than is being reported.
     
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    I don't ignore the news. I'm asking for backup from a mainline and more reputable source (we can argue the issue of what constitutes reputability elsewhere). The issue of WND being questionable is well-established, and therefore scrutiny of anything they print is more than prudent. That being said, I'm also aware that WND does occaisionally get it right on.

    I would like to know your thoughts on the aforementioned questions:

    If China broke up, say, 100 Muslims studying the Koran, would you consider that an oppression of human rights? I would. Likewise would I if they were Christians, Jews, or even Moonies.

    Also, do you consider Germany's ban on the practice of Scientology, or Germany's ban on Muslim women teachers wearing headscarves in schools a violation of human rights? I do, as I would if they forbade a Jew from sporting a yamulka, or a Christian from wearing, say, a cross pendant.

    And I concur with VoM. Never said otherwise.
     
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    Not likely to happen. Here's why:

    From a Source You Trust :D

    Now compare that to this:

    http://www.christianfreedom.org/messages.aspx?id=571
     
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    Source

    And some of these political prisoners are simply Christians who are imprisoned - our brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ. [​IMG]
     
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    I didn't ask about likelihood. I simply asked yes or no questions. I'll ask again:

    If China broke up 100 Muslims studying the Koran, would you consider that an oppression of human rights?

    Do you consider Germany's ban on the practice of Scientology, or Germany's ban on Muslim women teachers wearing headscarves in schools a violation of human rights?

    BTW, it's definitely possible that Muslims, as well as Jews and other religious groups, in a similar situation would get treated similarly, if they are part of a group that is not registered with the Chinese government. Personally, I don't think that anyone should be required to "register" their religious group. But many countries, including China, and even some European countries, do it. However, that is a different topic altogether.
     
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    I agree. If China broke up 100 Muslims for studying the Koran and arested them, that would be Muslim Persecution, just like when they arrest 100 Christians for having a Bible study it is Christian Persecution.
     
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    KenH;
    How on earth do you get that from this article?
    Nothing in it is anywhere near what you claim.
    Perhaps you are mistaken? "Christians persecuting Christians?"

    In HIS service;
    Jim
     
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    Sorry, that sentence should have been "That China persecutes Christians that don't conform to State control is unquestioned".
     
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    Thanks for clearing that up. Wondered if you had been in the hot sun too long, LOL. [​IMG] :D
     
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    Nah. I just need to proofread better. [​IMG]
     
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    LadyEagle,

    Why are you refusing to answer my questions? They're simple yes or no questions:

    If China broke up 100 Muslims studying the Koran, would you consider that an oppression of human rights?

    Do you consider Germany's ban on the practice of Scientology, or Germany's ban on Muslim women teachers wearing headscarves in schools a violation of human rights?

    I'm not asking in an attempt to fingerpoint or accuse you. Really.

    [ July 29, 2005, 05:03 PM: Message edited by: Johnv ]
     
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    That Depends on whether or not they were supporting the world jihad movement.

    Like I said, there is little chance of that happening since Islam is a government sanctioned religion in China.

    I don't know enough about that to comment on it.

    No - this question seeks to blur the line of what is considered human rights violations. Forbidding of wearing head scarves is not a human rights issue, IMO. Beheading (severing the head to which the scarf is attached), IS a human rights violation, IMO.

    Executing prisoners for their body parts is a human rights violation.
     

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