Christ by His Death alone !

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    Purged our sins !



    Christ by His Death alone, apart from any subsequent work of the Spirit, hath purged our sins Heb 1:3

    3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

    This entails the taking away of our sins [If he died for us], their full expiation once and for all ! This Work was in striking contrast to the levitical priesthood which stood daily Heb 10:11-12

    11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

    12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; Heb 1:3

    Because the offerings of their priesthood could not take away sins, as Christ offering of Himself did Jn 1:29 ; Heb 1:3 and this He accomplished through Death, with no subsequent Work of the Spirit, and therefore, anyone saying that Christ's Death in and of itself and or without the subsequent Work of the Spirit is worthless, is a liar and antichrist !
     
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    To Blaspheme and say arrogantly that Christ's death in and of itself is worthless, is saying that God's Law and Justice has not been met with saving satisfaction for the sins of those that Christ hath died for, not until the Holy Spirit does a work in those that Christ hath died for, making it so that it was not only Christ's Death that was needed to satisfy God's Law and Justice, but in addition the Spirit's applicatory work assisted in paying for sin ! This is utterly false and Blasphemous and contrary to Christ's very statement concerning the work of the Spirit here Jn 16:13-14

    13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

    14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

    The Spirit does nothing but take what is Christ's [His Saving Meritorious Death] and shews it to the Members of His Body, He declares it to them, but to say that Christ's Death is worthless without this work of the Spirit, that is an horrible blasphemy that none but a child of the devil could utter in such confidence and arrogance !
     
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    By His Death Alone !



    By His Death Alone apart from any other subsequent work of the Spirit, Christ hath obtained Eternal Redemption for us, the us being all for whom He died Heb 9:12

    12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption or eternal life for us.

    This eternal redemption is nothing but eternal life in essence, and yet their be those under the guise of being preachers of righteousness, who tell us, that Christ's death in and of itself, and apart from the Workings of The Spirit is Worthless, what Blasphemy !
     
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    >Christ by His Death alone, apart from any subsequent work of the Spirit, hath purged our sins Heb 1:3

    E.g., Christ by His Death alone, apart from any subsequent work of the Spirit, hath regenerated us. Heb 1:3
     
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    UNLESS the Holy spirit quickens a sinner to be enabled to place faith in jesus, his death availed them NOTHING!
     
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    More Blasphemy !
     
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    Our New Birth is a Result of Christ's Death !



    Christ's Death is that which obtained for all whom He died, their New Birth. For New Birth is by the Resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, which Resurrection confirms the success and value of His Death for those He died for ! 1 Pet 1:3

    3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

    NIV 1984 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

    NLT 2007 All praise to God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. It is by his great mercy that we have been born again, because God raised Jesus Christ from the dead. Now we live with great expectation,

    ESV 2001 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

    And Christ's Resurrection was only possible because of His Death !

    Yet there be those of the wicked that tell us that Christ's Death in and of itself does not save anyone, and that apart from the Spirit it is worthless ! Such Blasphemy shall be given account for in the Day of Judgment !
     
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    At least we preach/teach the Gospel according to paul, don't know whose gospel you are preaching!
     
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    GE:

    SBM, it is a beautiful statement.

    I fully sympathise with you; yet would wish to show you something else.

    The thread is called, by Jesus' "death, only". But I am sure you will agree there is much more in the Words you quote,
    "Heb 1:3
    3 ... when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high ..."

    ... because the fact He purged our sins "when He SAT DOWN on the right hand of the Majesty on high" is a statement of fact of the RESURRECTION of Christ from the dead without a doubt!

    Unless Christ rose from the dead He purged no sins of ours and his death would be like our own to that purpose.

     
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    GE:

    What vain supposition!

     
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    GE:

    It is impossible to suppose Christ's resurrection without his victory through having suffered death. But free will theology in principle presupposes his death in itself the precondition and enough for the forgiveness of sins; and then the determining condition is the will of man and his 'free co-operation'-- claimed to be 'the work of the Holy Spirit'--, forgetting Christ's victory through having raised from the dead unto and as precondition for the forgiveness of sins.

     
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    Many Blasphemers and ungodly men who have no business Preaching Christ and Him Crucified, have arrogantly stated that Christ's Death in and of itself saved no one, and is worthless, nothing but a satanic inspired person could utter such blasphemy ! However, by Christ death alone, by His Stripes scripture says, we are healed 1 Pet 2:24

    24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

    The word healed here means saved. It is the greek word iaomai and means:

    to cure, heal

    2) to make whole

    a) to free from errors and sins, to bring about (one's) salvation

    What can be more plainer than this ? Christ's stripes brought about ones Salvation, their healing as in Ps 103:2-3

    2 Bless the Lord, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits:

    3 Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases;

    God through Christ has healed our souls because of sin Ps 41:4

    I said, LORD, be merciful unto me: heal my soul; for I have sinned against thee.

    This God has done through Christ's stripes, by His Stripes alone Ye were healed !
     
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    Unless you have received your spiritual healing by placing faith in Christ, you have not yet been saved!
     
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    My spiritual healing came by Christ's stripes. You teach a works salvation that is antichrist !
     
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    >UNLESS the Holy spirit quickens a sinner to be enabled to place faith in jesus

    How is this different than regeneration? Isn't it simpler to use traditional historical words in theological discussions?
     
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    When did God apply that healing towards you? before you belived in jesus himself?
     
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    Yes, that is why I believed, by the healing effects of Christ's stripes.

    You on the other hand claim that being saved was the result of you doing something, that is salvation by works and a flat out denial that Christ's Death alone saves a person He died for, that is anti christ !
     
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    Its not, in fact it confirms the Truth of scripture that Faith in Christ is the fruit of the New Birth.

    All for whom Christ died, by His Resurrection from the Dead they are begotten again unto a Lively Hope, which is Faith.

    1 Pet 1:3

    3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
     
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    GE:

    Your insinuation is impossible to miss.

    Now does your insinuation also imply Paul, who declared, that if Jesus rose not from the dead we are in our sins still? Is that blasphemy as well? Is Romans 5: 10 further also blasphemy?

    The Scriptures you quoted, DO THEY MEAN FORGIVENESS OF SINS BARRING CHRIST ROSE FROM THE DEAD? Is not that, blasphemy rather?!

    To Roman Catholicism, certainly YES!

    But for the Protestant, NEVER!


     
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    When did that "healing' get applied to you? before you wereborn, right at birth, or?
     

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