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Featured Christ by His Death alone !

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    A Accomplishment Solely of Christ's Death !



    1 Tim 2:10

    10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

    The Death of Christ solely abolished death apart from any subsequent work of the Spirit. He has abolished death for each person He died for. And for this meritorious cause, each person He died for receives Life as a Free Gift from New Birth or Quickening which is a subsequent work of the Spirit because of His meritorious death !

    Each Person that Christ died for has been delivered by His Death from Death Spiritual, Death Physical in that if they die it ushers them into the prescience of Him that died for them 2 Cor 5:8 and Phil 1:23

    And the Second Death or Eternal Death ! Its impossible for anyone Christ died for to remain dead in trespasses and sins, so we read Eph 2:5

    5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved )

    That saved Grace by which He tasted Death fir every man or son Heb 2:9-10
     
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    It makes us the Righteousness of God in Him !



    2 Cor 5:21

    21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

    Whenever we see the word that, hina, it is stating the Divine Purpose, and here it is stating that purpose for which Christ was made sin[By Imputation] for those He died for, it was so they could be made Righteous !

    The word made is the greek word ginomai which means:

    to become, i.e. to come into existence, begin to be, receive being

    2) to become, i.e. to come to pass, happen

    a) of events

    3) to arise, appear in history, come upon the stage

    a) of men appearing in public

    4) to be made, finished

    a) of miracles, to be performed, wrought

    5) to become, be made


    The Idea here is that of being made a New Creation, A New Man as this Eph 4:24

    And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

    Yes, this is result of Christ being made sin for those He died, that they would be made a New Creation, to receive a New Being to the Glory of God through Jesus Christ, and so it is written of these Isa 43:7

    Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.

    This statement is based upon Christ's Work here 2 Cor 5:21

    21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
     
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    It makes us the Righteousness of God in Him ! cont

    The Reason why those Christ died for must be made a New Creation, is because His Death for them satisfied the Law and Justice of God on behalf of them, which declares them Justified and Righteous before Him, and His Righteousness laid to their Charge demands Life ! As the old proverb states Prov 12:28

    In the way of righteousness [Christ's Imputed] is life: and in the pathway thereof there is no death.

    Thats also why Paul writes Rom 5:18

    Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

    The word life here is in the genitive case describing what kind of Justification it is, It possesses Life or it brings Life or effects Life, Spiritual Life, Quickening Life !

    So the effects of Christ's Death goes beyond declaring us Righteous before God, but it also provides by Quickening, making us experientially Righteous, John Rights 1 Jn 3:7

    Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

    Doing Righteousness here is believing on the Lord Jesus Christ. In fact, everyone doing Righteousness had been made Righteous 2 Cor 5:21.

    Jesus Christ was made sin for us [ The Church ], so that [stating purpose] we may become experientially Righteous. Paul teaches that also here Rom 5:19b

    19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made[experientially] righteous.

    Just like all who were in Adam in his disobedience were made [experientially] sinners !!

    This Truth is what all the antichrist followers deny and do not understand, but this is the Gospel of the Kingdom of God. Christ's death or being made sin was not to make salvation and conversion merely possible, but that it would effect conversion, experiential salvation and to begin a Life that is dedicated for the Honor of God, to Worship Him in Spirit and Truth, that kind of worshiper did the Father desire Jn 4:23

    23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

    And this end is accomplished by 2 Cor 5:21

    21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
     
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    Became a Quickening Spirit !

    1 Cor 15:47

    45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

    When the Lord Jesus Christ was raised from the dead or quickened as One with His Body Eph 2:5-6 or His Church or His Sheep, so He was raised as the Great Shepherd of the Sheep Heb 13:20, because it was that same Great Shepherd He died for the Sheep Jn 10:11,15, but now as the risen Head and Shepherd or quickening Shepherd 1 Cor 15:45. Because of their Union in Death and Resurrection, The last Adam, as evidence of their Union and His Saving Death, He must and does quicken all His Dead Members or Sheep with that resurrected Life they are in Union with Him up above, and so we read Eph 2:1,5

    And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

    This quickening is also known as New Birth or Regeneration, nevertheless, He [Christ] does impart Spiritual Life in them [By the Spirit], also by this they are passed from death to life Jn 5:24; Col 1:13, for this working is a benefit of their Election Union with Him Eph 2:6, and their subsequent quickening from Spiritual Death Eph 2:5 is proof or evidence of the same !
     
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    Is Christ's Death ever Worthless ?



    1 Pet 1:19

    But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

    For one to belch out such a blasphemy as, Christ's Death is Worthless without the Work of the Holy Spirit, high handedly and presumptuously attacks the meritorious cause of Salvation, Christ's Death.

    The word worthless means:

    adj

    1.

    without practical value or usefulness


    2.

    without merit; good-for-nothing

    All that the Spirit does in the Elect subsequently, was procured by Christ's meritorious Death, He applies the Redemption so procured. We do grant that the Work of the Spirit is the efficient cause of actual conversion, however that is solely premised upon the foundation of the Meritorious Cause of the Blood of Christ alone !

    Those who belch out this blasphemy are stealthily trying to enter mans works into Salvation,m something he must do !
     
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    Those who refused to come to Christ , placing faith in jesus,trampled underfoot his precious blood, and will be severly judged by God!
     
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    They worship the creature more than the Creator !



    Rom 1:25

    25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

    Those who make Salvation ,or Justification or any branch of being saved contingent upon conditions they must perform, because Christ by His Death only made things a possibility, then it is, those do more for their actual salvation than Christ did,since without their own performance of the condition, they remain in a condemned lost state !
     
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    Beware of the Leaven !



    The great enemy of the cause of Christ, the devil, will not make it obvious that his intention is to undermind the value, merit and efficaciousness of the Death of Christ.

    That faith or believing is instrumental by which the elect of God receive and have administered to them, in that the gracious sentence of having our sins forgiven and Justification before God is communicated and concludes in our consciences is a truth of scripture Acts 10:43

    To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

    However, we must not make the mistake, as the false teachers do, to suppose that by believing or by faith we do cause the Lords death to satisfy God's Law and Justice for us, or that until we believe, that God does not accept Christ's death as a satisfaction for our sins. This is the teaching of antichrist.

    The fact is, the one believing has been induced to believe, that God has already forgiven them for their sins, His wrath being satisfied and He has received a ransom price in the blood of His Son, and Faith is given to receive this testimony, for hence, faith is a receptive cause but not a efficient cause in forgiveness of sins or Justification, a means to receive but not to cause Justification or salvation !

    Beware of the deadly leaven of the antichrist ministers who say otherwise, no matter how appealing it sounds to the ears !
     
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    The eternal covenant of redemption is THE PROMISE of redemption before the world existed as a "covenant' is a COVENANT PROMISE or committment.

    The Son obtained the OBJECTIVE and LEGAL redemption by his life and death.

    The Holy Spirit obtained the SUBJECTIVE or APPLICATION of redemption in the life of the elect.

    Your view has the Son usurping the covenant work of the Spirit.

    Indeed, if you were consistent you will claim that the work of the Holy Spirit is totally unnecessary and that the elect could die unregnerated and as unbelievers because their redemption is already secured by the Father and Son without any need of the work of the Spirit! Are you consistent???
     
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    Beware of the Leaven !



    The great enemy of the cause of Christ, the devil, will not make it obvious that his intention is to undermind the value, merit and efficaciousness of the Death of Christ.

    That faith or believing is instrumental by which the elect of God receive and have administered to them, in that the gracious sentence of having our sins forgiven and Justification before God is communicated and concludes in our consciences is a truth of scripture Acts 10:43

    To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

    However, we must not make the mistake, as the false teachers do, to suppose that by believing or by faith we do cause the Lords death to satisfy God's Law and Justice for us, or that until we believe, that God does not accept Christ's death as a satisfaction for our sins. This is the teaching of antichrist.

    The fact is, the one believing has been induced to believe, that God has already forgiven them for their sins, His wrath being satisfied and He has received a ransom price in the blood of His Son, and Faith is given to receive this testimony, for hence, faith is a receptive cause but not a efficient cause in forgiveness of sins or Justification, a means to receive but not to cause Justification or salvation !

    Beware of the deadly leaven of the antichrist ministers who say otherwise, no matter how appealing it sounds to the ears !
     
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    If you are consistent with your RATIONALIZED doctrine than actual regeneration is wholly unnecessary since they are already completely saved even before they are born. So, they could die and never hear the gospel and still go to heaven according to your theory.
     
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    Beware of the Leaven !



    The great enemy of the cause of Christ, the devil, will not make it obvious that his intention is to undermind the value, merit and efficaciousness of the Death of Christ.

    That faith or believing is instrumental by which the elect of God receive and have administered to them, in that the gracious sentence of having our sins forgiven and Justification before God is communicated and concludes in our consciences is a truth of scripture Acts 10:43

    To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

    However, we must not make the mistake, as the false teachers do, to suppose that by believing or by faith we do cause the Lords death to satisfy God's Law and Justice for us, or that until we believe, that God does not accept Christ's death as a satisfaction for our sins. This is the teaching of antichrist.

    The fact is, the one believing has been induced to believe, that God has already forgiven them for their sins, His wrath being satisfied and He has received a ransom price in the blood of His Son, and Faith is given to receive this testimony, for hence, faith is a receptive cause but not a efficient cause in forgiveness of sins or Justification, a means to receive but not to cause Justification or salvation !

    Beware of the deadly leaven of the antichrist ministers who say otherwise, no matter how appealing it sounds to the ears !
     
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    Typical response! You cannot answer the question because you KNOW that your system of interpetation completely invalidates the need of the covenant work of the Holy Spirit altogether IN the life of the beleiver, thus absolute proof that you are perverting the eternal covenant by false human rationalization and mishandling of the scriptures.
     
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    My point exactly. You regulate the covenant work of the Holy Spirit to simply the glorification of God rather than to any necessary aspect of salvation of the elect. Hence, by your rationale the elect are already saved before they are even born and thus regeneration is not necessary for their salvation and entrance into heaven.

    However, didn't everything Christ do also was for the "glory of God"? So the "glory of God" excuse does not fly with the Holy Spirit's covenant obligation. The fact is, there is no salvation AT ALL apart from ALL Three Divine persons fulfilling their covenant obligation. Christ's death is WORTHLESS if the Holy Spirits work is EXCLUDED - period!
     
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    Beware of the Leaven !



    The great enemy of the cause of Christ, the devil, will not make it obvious that his intention is to undermind the value, merit and efficaciousness of the Death of Christ.

    That faith or believing is instrumental by which the elect of God receive and have administered to them, in that the gracious sentence of having our sins forgiven and Justification before God is communicated and concludes in our consciences is a truth of scripture Acts 10:43

    To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

    However, we must not make the mistake, as the false teachers do, to suppose that by believing or by faith we do cause the Lords death to satisfy God's Law and Justice for us, or that until we believe, that God does not accept Christ's death as a satisfaction for our sins. This is the teaching of antichrist.

    The fact is, the one believing has been induced to believe, that God has already forgiven them for their sins, His wrath being satisfied and He has received a ransom price in the blood of His Son, and Faith is given to receive this testimony, for hence, faith is a receptive cause but not a efficient cause in forgiveness of sins or Justification, a means to receive but not to cause Justification or salvation !

    Beware of the deadly leaven of the antichrist ministers who say otherwise, no matter how appealing it sounds to the ears !
     
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    Here is the response of a heretic. He can't answer the objections placed in front of him, so he simply repeats his disproven error as he has NO WHERE ELSE TO GO!
     
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    Beware of the Leaven !



    The great enemy of the cause of Christ, the devil, will not make it obvious that his intention is to undermind the value, merit and efficaciousness of the Death of Christ.

    That faith or believing is instrumental by which the elect of God receive and have administered to them, in that the gracious sentence of having our sins forgiven and Justification before God is communicated and concludes in our consciences is a truth of scripture Acts 10:43

    To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.



    However, we must not make the mistake, as the false teachers do, to suppose that by believing or by faith we do cause the Lords death to satisfy God's Law and Justice for us, or that until we believe, that God does not accept Christ's death as a satisfaction for our sins. This is the teaching of antichrist.

    The fact is, the one believing has been induced to believe, that God has already forgiven them for their sins, His wrath being satisfied and He has received a ransom price in the blood of His Son, and Faith is given to receive this testimony, for hence, faith is a receptive cause but not a efficient cause in forgiveness of sins or Justification, a means to receive but not to cause Justification or salvation !

    Beware of the deadly leaven of the antichrist ministers who say otherwise, no matter how appealing it sounds to the ears !
     
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    He, the devil is also the great enemy to undermine the value, and efficasiouness of the work of the Holy Spirit. That is precisely what you are doing. You are attempting to make the legal provision of Christ - His covenant obligation - take the place, usurp the application work of the Spirit of God. To deny either is equally evil and of the Devil and you interpret one to repudiate the other.



    It is the application of Christ's work and without it there is no application to the elect - zilch, nada, none exept Divine intent and Christological objective provision.





    You are building a straw man and then burning it! Justication by faith does NOT "cause the Lord's death to satisfy God's Law" but it APPLIES it to the elect. Don't you know the difference between "cause" and "effects"? Don't you know the difference between "cause" and "application"? Apparently not!


    The work of Christ is objective and legal but it is not Christ's covenant responsiblity to APPLY IT to anyone but rather merely provide the legal objective basis.

    You want to isolate each Person of the Godhead and isolate each of their covenant obligation and make the each completely INDEPENDENT of the other and that is FALSE! This is a COOPERATIVE agreement that needs ALL PARTS to make it complete. No single Person's part is COMPLETE by itself and SUFFICIENT by itself OTHER THAN WHAT IT IS DESIGNED TO PROVIDE for the WHOLE!

    You have a COMPARTMENTALIZED doctrine of atonement rather than a COVENANT doctrine of the atonement.

    The Father's work is the source, the Son's work is the grounds, the Holy Spirit's work is the COMPLETION of the prior two! Your doctrine denies this. Your doctrine isolates each one so as they are completed APART FROM the rest - that is false doctrine.
     
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    Beware of the Leaven !



    The great enemy of the cause of Christ, the devil, will not make it obvious that his intention is to undermind the value, merit and efficaciousness of the Death of Christ.

    That faith or believing is instrumental by which the elect of God receive and have administered to them, in that the gracious sentence of having our sins forgiven and Justification before God is communicated and concludes in our consciences is a truth of scripture Acts 10:43

    To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.



    However, we must not make the mistake, as the false teachers do, to suppose that by believing or by faith we do cause the Lords death to satisfy God's Law and Justice for us, or that until we believe, that God does not accept Christ's death as a satisfaction for our sins. This is the teaching of antichrist.

    The fact is, the one believing has been induced to believe, that God has already forgiven them for their sins, His wrath being satisfied and He has received a ransom price in the blood of His Son, and Faith is given to receive this testimony, for hence, faith is a receptive cause but not a efficient cause in forgiveness of sins or Justification, a means to receive but not to cause Justification or salvation !

    Beware of the deadly leaven of the antichrist ministers who say otherwise, no matter how appealing it sounds to the ears !
     
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